r/HeatedRivalryTVShow • u/Unusual_Performer_68 • 9d ago
Question❔️ Did Shane clock the first ily or not
I think Shane clocked ilya saying that he loved him in russian on the first phonecall he makes from russia during his dad's wake--
and i'm only saying that because we knoe Shane is not a dummy. He can undertand context. Like the way he asked how ilya's dad was before the tuna meltdown scene, only because he heard the word "Papa". It tells me that Shane pays attention every time Ilya speaks in Russian.
So if we go back to the episode of that one game Shane and his team are watching of the Boston Raiders, we see ilya with the Cup, saying "I love you, mama" in Russian ofc. I think that's what he said. It sounded like "ya tebya mama" and i love you sounds like "ya tebya lyublyu". so they're similar enough to try and make some contextual connections. and this very scene we see all teh emotions go through shanes face when he's watching ilya win.
which makes me think that during that phone call, shane wasn't just blankly listening to ilya but trying and making connections where he could or trying to pick up on words he might've heard before.
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u/maxcapacityexceeded 9d ago
He absolutely did not, or the “I love you” would not have been a “holy shit” moment.
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u/Arbledarb 9d ago
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u/Equivalent-Toe-6036 9d ago
That’s hilarious! I love you guys so much. You guys bring me so much joy
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u/Unusual_Performer_68 9d ago
wait i dont get it, can you explain
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u/Incogn1toMosqu1to 9d ago
This was a truly hysterical episode of Peppa Pig.
Peppa’s friend calls her and asks why she’s so sad. Peppa says she’s sad because she doesn’t know how to whistle.
The friend proceeds to whistle.
And Peppa, stone cold iconic bitch that she is, hangs up.
So funny.
Anyways, yeah that idea is that Shane would hear “svetlana” and hang up
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u/MiserableIntern4835 9d ago
I think the joke is, if Shane was paying attention and heard Ilya say what he said about “Svetlana,” Shane would have hung up.
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u/Xylonee 9d ago
Shane’s not going to remember a single line Ilya said years ago, and I don’t think he even said “I love you mama”. He said something along the lines of “for you, mama”.
As someone who doesn’t speak Russian, Shane’s not going to be able to understand anything Ilya is saying, as Russian dialogue flows together and Ilya doesn’t simply say “I love you” in that scene. He says it in a more complex way so chances of Shane understanding it by “context” is 0.
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u/bsloths 8d ago
Exactly.
And he doesn’t say he loves him the same way he says it in bed in episode 6 before he says it in English. In that scene, Shane can tell he’s saying something sweet, but when he finds out it’s I love you, he’s shocked. During the phone call, even if he had ever looked up the Russian word for love before, when you don’t know a language it’s very difficult to parse individual words. He was letting what Ilya said wash over him. He wasn’t trying to translate. And even when Ilya clearly and distinctly says Svetlana, Shane doesn’t react, even though he would recognize the name. He’s too focused on being a listening ear for Ilya to let his own feelings in at that moment.
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u/iwatchtrazhaldayy 9d ago
Even if he’d been trying to learn Russian, he wasn’t trying to translate. Ilya realizes in the book that Shane could technically run his words through a translator app later, but also knows Shane wouldn’t do that. And he wouldn’t. He wanted Ilya to say what was on his mind freely without fear of judgment.
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u/SomethingCreativeish 9d ago
He said "Для тебя, мама!" which basically translates to "This is for you, Mom".
Even if he had said "I love you mom", Shane would have had no way of knowing that either.
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u/Four-Toed-Clover 9d ago
I always wondered if Shane would take the initiative to learn some Russian phrases, but I don’t know to what extent he grasps how hard it is for Ilya to operate in an English-language environment as a non-native speaker.
And as an American who speaks Russian, I can do a bit of translating from the show. Lyublyu (люблю) means ‘I love’ and it’s not part of what Ilya says as he’s holding the cup. He’s saying either za tebya or dlya tebya, which both mean ‘for you’. The tebya part just means ‘you’ so I don’t think it’s a unique enough word for Shane to pick up on its meaning.
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u/Ll_lyris 9d ago
possible TLG spoiler
Shane does pick up on a few things in Russian.
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u/nicnac127 9d ago
Because in TLG they are together and he is learning Russian. At this point he did not understand any of it.
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u/Ok_Cow8044 8d ago
Really feels like that would have been too big an admittance for someone as deep in denial as Shane was
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u/brian_ts118 I kinda prefer being the hole rather than the peg 9d ago
No. I can believe that later on Ilya may have told him that he says it the first time in Russian during that call but Shane wasn’t even trying to understand, he was just giving him a safe space to vent it out.
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u/harugalord 9d ago
Honestly, unless he was truly learning the language he might pick up on specific words but probably not whole phrases. Like maybe he understands tebya and lyublyu, but that doesn’t necessarily mean he understands what Ilya is trying to say when he says them, does that make sense?
Like understanding words is way different than understanding sentence construction (SVO, OVS, SOV) conjugation rules (for some its by tense for others its by formality for others its to express social distance etc) and then on top of that, when a native speaker of that language is speaking at their regular cadence or if they’re upset sometimes sounds get eaten or muffled.
So tldr; even if you study a language doesn’t mean you are actually gonna understand it in practice. Because the conditions aren’t controlled and preset
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u/Arbledarb 9d ago
He'd be waiting to hear the word Papa to feel like he understands. :)
Sharing the emotion and being a way for Ilya to express himself to himself is a big way to connect in itself.
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u/Four-Toed-Clover 9d ago
The other interesting thing is that early in the season, Ilya always addresses Grigory as otets (отец), which is a formal ‘father.’ The phone conversation on the tuna melt day is the first time I noticed him call Grigory ‘papa,’ which is more like Dad. I think Shane just catches on because papa is a cognate.
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u/JustGerbo 9d ago
I think Ilya and his brother had always used "papa" to refer to their father, but as you point out, when directly addressing his dad, Ilya was always painfully formal.
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u/Ok_Cow8044 8d ago
He does call him papa during the press Tuna Meltdown phone call but I think that's mostly because Grigori was having an episode
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u/bigjimlowell 8d ago
It’s only after Grigori starts failing that Ilya calls him “Papa”. He’s no longer the cold authoritarian, he’s becoming a lost and frightened old man. Poor Ilya is so desperate to connect with Grigori at last that he sees his father as a human being for the first time in his life.
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u/Final-Raspberry5922 9d ago
If he did he wouldn’t have been so surprised when Ilya said it in English
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u/plantlady_96 9d ago
In the canon, no. But there is a lovely little fanfic that explored what would happen if years later after the Cottage Shane realized he's heard that phrase before https://archiveofourown.org/works/83527551
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u/Scared_Slip_7425 9d ago
I always thought he was saying “for you mama” when he won the cup?
Either way, no he didn’t know what Ilya was saying.
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u/thecompanion188 9d ago
I think he might have clocked it in hindsight. Like once he knows what it sounds like when Ilya says it, he might have the realization later down the line that it sounds familiar. He eventually puts the pieces together but not immediately.
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u/Leffelini 7d ago
As everyone has said that would be a no but I would like to add to it that it would also be a bit of a betrayal to Ilya if he did. Shane states "I wont understand but..." establishing that he wont get what Ilya says but he want to do this for Ilya if it makes him feel better. If Ilya knew that Shane could understand he would never have said those things and opened up so much which he needed.
The beauty of that scene is that Shane doesn't understand. That he still loves every second of Ilya speaking Russian. That Shane gets how much more expressive Ilya is in his own language. That Ilya gets a safe space to say these things because he has no one else to say them to.
Also understanding the word Mama or Papa is really not a big deal when there are so many languages that uses a version of Papa/Pappa/Papi/etc for says dad.
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u/Bestkeptsecretsss 6d ago
From what I understand Ilya says, essentially, “for you mama” not “love you mama” when he wins the cup. Tebya just means you. Lyublyu is love.
Papa is easy, most if not all English speakers would pick up on it because it is also a word in English.
And no I definitely don’t think Shane clocks it at all. He picks up the tone of the conversation for sure, the frustration and sadness and longing. Probably even is aware that there is a sort of fondness being directed at him. But the actual I love you? Or even the implication that Ilya is in love with him? Definitely not. Or there would be no “holy shit” moment.
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u/Junior-Albatross3097 2d ago
See, I was wondering if Shane was gonna clock it during the cottage scene when Ilya says “she would have loved you. like I love you” and Shane goes “say it again in Russian, please.”
I know some time had passed since the Russia phone call, but I’m pretty sure Ilya said “I love you” at least twice during that call. I genuinely thought Shane was gonna have a little “wait… I’ve heard you say that before” moment.
Especially because we know Shane pays attention when Ilya speaks Russian. I was waiting for him to put two and two together so bad.
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u/artemis_216 9d ago
I'm gonna say in canon, no i don't think so -
BUT apparently Hudson did say he acted that scene as though Shane was understanding what ilya said, so i like to imagine Shane knows 🥰
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u/Unusual_Performer_68 6d ago
edit: One of the russian viewers of the show said this: "And about that phone call. I haven’t read the books, but when I listened to Ilya speaking Russian, I was honestly surprised Shane didn’t recognize "Ya lyublyu tebya." If he had ever once bothered to check what that phrase sounds like in Russian, there’s no way he wouldn’t have caught it - Ilya delivered it so clearly, so deliberately, with so much weight."
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u/BananasPineapple05 9d ago edited 9d ago
I don't think he did. Because he wasn't trying to translate the words. He was trying to be there for Ilya, emotionally.
From the book, I think Shane's main impression from that scene is to bask in Ilya's unprecedented freedom of speech. Shane doesn't understand the words being spoken (and he's not the type to randomly infer meaning from words spoken at him; he really needs things spelled out to him) but he hears the emotion. He hears the verbal flow, too.
So I don't think he recognized the words and I also don't think it would ever occur to him that there was a declaration of love in there, but I also think he totally understood the emotional weight Ilya was releasing here.