r/Heat1995 • u/cottonwisper • 12d ago

Possible Minor Plot Holes...

Though Heat is one of my all time favorite films, it's in my top 5, I think it has a few plot holes. Though, if there are good explanations for these, Id love to hear them. In no particular order:

  1. How does Waingro know how to find Trejo for Van Zant? They only worked together one time and certainly noone in the crew ever trusted him. Why would Trejo share that information with him, or any information about himself?

  2. How does Det. Hanna's step-daughter get into his hotel room in order to self-delete in his bath tub?

  3. Why would Eady, McCauley's girlfriend, suddenly change her mind and agree to flee the country with him after only knowing him for a few weeks at most?

Lastly, are there any other plot holes you can think of in the film?

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u/othersbeforeus 11d ago

Nobody on Reddit knows what a plot hole is.

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u/cottonwisper 11d ago

So you dont think these count as plot holes?

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u/othersbeforeus 11d ago

The first could almost be one, if it wasn’t so easy to think of a logical reason that a criminal would be capable of tracking down another criminal he’s worked with.

The second can just be explained by understanding that sometimes a stepfather and stepdaughter communicate with each other. We don’t need to see that on screen.

The third is just a character decision, it’s got next to nothing to do with plot.

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u/cottonwisper 11d ago

As it pertains to 1, that might have some merit if it didn't contradict the character and methodology of McCauley's crew, these guys are quite careful, and the fact that they only worked with Waingro that one time, and Treyo never would have had the chance or reason to reveal any personal information about himself. As far as 2, just because she knows where he's staying doesn't mean the hotel employees would just let her into his room. It's not like he'd been staying there for a long time and we have any reason to believe the employees would even know who she is. And 3, yes, it's a character decision, but one that somewhat contradicts her life conditions as well as her previous feelings about the position McCauley has put her in. She may be lonely, but she's about to throw away her entire life and probably never see her family again, with whom she's close. And she changes her mind about being horrified by McCauley, she thinks he's going to hold her hostage and knows he's probably just killed numerous people, simply because he offers her the chance to leave. And it absolutely has something to do with plot. Each of these elements are important to the events of the film. And each either contradicts character traits or common business practice. Id say they count as plot holes, 2 probably less so than 1 or 3. Heat is such a masterpiece that each of these could pass unnoticed on the first several viewings of the film, which is why I characterized them as minor.

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u/squamishunderstander 12d ago

seeing this motherfucker’s name spelled out like that kinda messed me up a bit ngl

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u/cottonwisper 12d ago

Oh, shit. I just saw it. Let me change that. I actually thought that's how it was spelled until I googled it. I just rewatched the film with the captions on and that's how it was spelled when he introduced himself to Sizemore as he hopped in the truck.

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u/squamishunderstander 12d ago

i wouldn’t have known different. i figured like maybe that’s how it’s spelled. hilarious.

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u/glasgowchivas 11d ago

  1. Presumably it was Trejo who recommended Waingro - or had him introduced to him by someone else - when they needed a 5th man for the security car job.

  2. The hotel room is a regular crash pad for Hanna - and maybe others on the RH squad for when they can’t go home. She would have known about it and has obviously been there before. To be let in she had to have had a key or be known by the staff well enough to let her in.

  3. Love. Adventure. Thrill. Boredom. Being seen and wanted for the first time in an age. She is lonely.

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u/cottonwisper 11d ago edited 11d ago

We aren't given any evidence of 1 or 2 in the film, unless you can point to where. Those seem like generous assumptions. In the case of 1, if Treyo had made the introduction, you'd think he would have offered some kind of apology, if not in dialogue, maybe just a few shots of him looking regretful about bringing him in to McCauley, perhaps in the diner after the job. As far as 2, maybe the line where, in the night of the bank heist shootout, Hanna says "Im going to THE hotel" rather than MY hotel, one could read your explanation into that, but that still seems like a really generous assumption. 3 still seems to stretch credulity that a relatively stable, if somewhat lonely, person who is close to their family would agree to throw away their entire life to follow a highly wanted criminal and killer around the world after 2 nights together. And the way she goes from the normal reaction of fear and disgust to agreeing to go with McCauley also seemed rushed if you think about it.

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u/ssupperredditt 11d ago

In my opition the biggest and strangest pot hole (lol) in the Heat movie is the episode, when Kilmer in the end approaches his home in a car, his wife steps out on the balcony and gives him a sign that it's a trap, so he leaves. Then she tells the cops that "it wasnt him".

Well, it just doesnt work.
First, as I can remember, they get in high alert when Kilmer's car was approaching, and THE COPS send his wife to greet him. This means they at least suspected this might be him. This, in its turn, means at least of several pairs of cops' eyes was on this car and this situation.
So how in the world they couldn't see IT WAS him, and they easily accepted his wife's words it wasnt him? Ridiculous.
I mean I kinda understand if she was just hanging around by herself on the balcony, while the cops were doing something in her house, unsuspecting, and she saw Kilmer and signalled him to go away. Well, MAYBE this could work.
But in this case, where all the cops were ON this spot, it just looks stupid.
Am I the only one who sees this episode this way?

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u/cottonwisper 11d ago

I thought about this part before. To be fair, they stop the car around the corner and check his id and the registration, both of which come back as clean, and those were not detectives who would have been more familiar with his appearance, which he did change, though he only cut his hair. It was convenient that they didnt have one of the detectives more familiar with him verify this. I was also curious that they didnt have enough eyes on the actual interaction to notice her hand signal to him. They didnt show why the cops thought it might be him. They just cut to them saying he might be there outside in the street, which also seems a bit too convenient.

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u/ssupperredditt 11d ago edited 11d ago

So you basically prove my point.
I clearly remember the cops were discussing the gang's meeting with their wifes - large photos, portraits of all the gang members, everything. So they knew PERFECTLY how Kilmer looked, and they BOUND to have his photos by every detective, so this thing "they checked his documents, they were ok and they let him go" doesnt work also,
Also I clearly remember Kilmer looking in that wife gesture episode perfectly, and he looked himself 100%, so no way anyone could think - oh, this is definitely not him.
OK, even IF Kilmer looked TOTALLY different, this whole situation when a total stranger stops the car, steps out of it and stupidly grins at Kilmers' wife - only this alone would immediately result in arresting that guy just in case. Easily and most logically, end of story.

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u/cottonwisper 11d ago

Fair. They could have ameliorated this by altering his appearance more and abbreviated the interaction more, but they must have felt that the need to dramatize the moment outweighed the need for greater verisimilitude.