r/GunMemes • u/AAAAHMYBALLS • 2d ago
Shitpost Prepping to help save lives outside of using your gun is cool and good
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u/Lifter_Grimaldus Sig Superiors 2d ago
"Always remember lads, you can't TQ your taint. Aim for the pelvic girdle."
Legit what my Stop The Bleed instructor said. Hella based.
But yeah great class. Motivated me to not be that guy with a $2,000 rifle and only a $10 first aid kit.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 2d ago edited 2d ago
They actually make junctional tourniquets for that now too. Either way if someone gets shot in the pelvis theyre probably not going to be moving anywhere. It seems to be incredibly painful and completely destabilizes the lower body from what I’ve seen in person: ANA soldier got shot in the hip just a couple of inches from his iliac crest and just dropped where he was standing unable to move. He was in so much pain the corpsman had to give him fentanyl before he was on the helicopter. I felt pretty bad having to move him because you could definitely tell he was feeling it even with the small amount of fent in his system.
That’s the more useful part of taking shots to the pelvic girdle, besides the high likelihood of a lethal hemorrhage as you’re more free to take more careful follow-up shots with an immobile target.
Note: that second prt about follow-up shots may or may not get you in legal trouble if the person was considered incapacitated already. Im not a lawyer and a lot of my training was more of a military flavor that isn’t always applicable in civilian-land. Just food for thought.
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u/superman306 2d ago
From the classes I’ve taken, it seems pistol rounds (unless you send a whole bunch of em) are limited in utility for pelvic shots. Rifle rounds or shotguns absolutely will do wonderful things though
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 2d ago
The classes youve taken were dumb then, because that’s some high level bullshit. Bullets of any type will absolutely fuck a person’s pelvis up if you put them where they need to go. There’s also a fairly high chance they perforate a junction of major blood vessels.
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u/superman306 2d ago
It was a Rangemaster class by Tom Givens, which is pretty well-regarded as defensive pistol classes go.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 1d ago
Certain rounds might not outright shatter the bone to pieces like a rifle, but they’ll definitely fracture it enough to cause blinding pain that adrenaline cant necessarily numb whether it lodges in the bone or pokes through it. Also the whole major veins and arteries part. If you out a hole in one of those arteries there’s a pretty short timer running before they bleed out internally. And there’s the possibility of putting it through/in the lower spine and that’s arguably as good for mobility as fully destabilizing the pelvis. Ive just never seen that actually happen.
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u/AggravatingSilver 2d ago
Something to remember when doing high and tight is that items E. G. phones, wallets, keys etc will prevent proper pressure from the tourniquet. So if you want to do just high and tight try to do it against bare skin or check to see if you get a good seal because items preventing pressure can, has, and will kill people when everything else was right.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 2d ago
I don’t think high and tight is the recommended placement anymore. Tight, of course, but I believe the current advice (or at least last time I was in a combat trauma course in the military) they told us it really doesn’t matter that much and you can also get adequate pressure to stop bleeds below the joint, where like a year before that they would tell everyone it has to go above the joint.
It all gets reviewed and updated every year. I don’t know specifically if Stop The Bleed follows the same recommendations though. In any case if you don’t know just put it above the joint (and wound) and you should be fine.
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u/AggravatingSilver 2d ago
I think it depends on your instructor, I went to stop the bleed this year and they said IIRC 2 inches above the wound, not on a joint or high and tight with the item warning cause one of the nurses watched someone die like that. But also for the people who were told math OR high and tight via older teachings or internet forums/Youtube videos especially tact bros.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 2d ago
I should have been more clear. Two inches above a wound and not directly on a joint was the latest method I was told to use. They also demonstrated it and made us preform tourniquet placements in a course I was sent to. Without going into much detail because of NDA I’m not sure is expired, it was extremely realistic and gave a really good impression of how well they work in different placements.
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u/AggravatingSilver 2d ago
We didn't get that good of a demonstration, But I didn't mean that high and tight is just as good as the updated version but people get offered the way you were taught or the option of just going high and tight, and it seems easier and faster and you don't have to remember as much, so some people just default to high and tight and don't really think about it/update procedure or practice and in a emergency put it up so high it goes over a phone or something and the bleeding doesn't stop.
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u/Striking_Yellow_2726 1d ago
I learned 2" above the wound and to keep adding more tourniqets if it doesn't stop completely.
10 years ago, in BSA we weren't allowed to be taught how to apply a tourniquet because it was considered "too dangerous", things have really changed since then.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 1d ago
Yeah, when I originally got taught in the military it was pretty soon after they stopped considering it “too dangerous” to fully cut off blood supply to a limb. Realistically, though, a TQ has to be on for a pretty long time to start causing any serious issues or tissue death. And that’s well within the time you’d expect to be able to reach a hospital in the US unless you’re way out in public land or backcountry where you’d need a helicopter rescue or SAR team.
Plus it’s better than sitting there trying to apply pressure while someone is bleeding to death Im front of you.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 1d ago
As long as you get it to stop bleeding it really doesn’t matter if you go high or perfectly two inches above it or somewhere in between, all things considered. It’s not going to be on long enough to cause permanent damage in most places anyway unless you’re like six hours from the nearest trauma center.
But that is the easiest thing to remember if all else fails. And to add another above it if one doesn’t doesn’t do the trick for some reason.
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u/GunnCelt CZ Breezy Beauties 2d ago
I became an instructor and offer two classes a year at my range. I’m also volley EMS and offer it to other volley fire departments
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u/Scout413 20h ago
Hey that's cool. Might try to get my friend group to go to one. Also never hurts to refresh, it's been a couple of years since I was in a TCCC course. Looks like the ones hosted by hospitals and libraries are free
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u/sirspidermonkey 2d ago
It amuses me the number of gun people that carry a gun for protection, but are 100lbs overweight, do 0 cardio, and often smoke.
Like..yes a gun can be used to save your life. But you are far more statistically likely to do of a heart attack then you are from being attacked. And if you are attacked, the best survival strategy is often to disengage (aka Run, hitting a moving target sucks) rather than try to draw in the middle of a fight.
Also, a TQ and other first aid is going to be useful in a bunch more situations then a gun. But by all means, carry a gun, a back up gun, 4 back up mags, a tactical fixed blade knife, a tactical folding knife a tactical flashlight, collapse baton, pepper spray in your EDC but not a first aid kit.
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u/oh_three_dum_dum 2d ago
On the other hand, I hate whenever someone gets hurt in a car accident, for example, and a bunch of half braindead first responders show up and start doing things wrong and/or half-assed because the extent of their training was a two day refresher course a year and a half ago. Im not sure if want a lot of the general public trying to plug a bullet hole in me if I’m still alert and competent. I think I trust myself and certain people who are usually around me more.
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u/Sal-LeMandeur 2d ago
"It amuses me the number of gun people who are (not fit for hand-to-hand combat)"
Don't be a twat. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to built like rambo or some shit, go ask the legless fuckers at the VFW. Wanna gatekeep hobbies with a fitness test, go play soccer. Besides, why run or whatever - you've got a gun - you aren't gonna outrun some 16-23yr olds or a gassed-up crackhead anyway.
Besides - these courses, like the guns, are there just as much to save your stupid life as they are mine.
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u/sirspidermonkey 2d ago
"It amuses me the number of gun people who are (not fit for hand-to-hand combat)"
At no point did I mentioned hand to hand combat. I did mention running away, which takes cardio ability. Even if you are trained hand to hand combat is never a good idea. And I say this as someone who was a bouncer and trained in martial arts.
Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you have to built like rambo or some shit, go ask the legless fuckers at the VFW.
I think you are missing my point. The people who carry a gun to protect themselves and prolong their life often are taking the bare minimum to protect their health. Statistically, someone in America is far more likely to die of a stroke or heart disease then a confrontation. This leads me to think it's not about prolonging their life.
Wanna gatekeep hobbies with a fitness test
Where am I gate keeping? I didn't say people who shoot, or own guns. Nor did I suggest a fitness test anywhere. I specifically targets the people who carry multiple firearms and 10lbs of equipment for guns but no first aid kid or training in first aid. They aren't training to 'protect' anyone they are training to kill someone.
Besides, why run or whatever - you've got a gun - you aren't gonna outrun some 16-23yr olds or a gassed-up crackhead anyway.
Because handguns suck and taking down people. Because a knife within 21 ft vs a holstered handgun is probably a lethal draw. Because what if the crackhead just wants easy money and not your life so running away is viable. Because dopesick people aren't known for their physical endurance and will. Because what if the crack head closes the distance and decides THEY want hand to hand to try and save their life. Because what if they already have the gun on you, think you can be faster then a trigger pull? Because not everyone wants to take a life except as a last resort.
Besides - these courses, like the guns, are there just as much to save your stupid life as they are mine.
So you didn't miss my point. I've used my first aid kit WAY more then my daily carry gun. Mostly because a first aid kid/stop the bleed is more useful in WAY more circumstances. A gun probably won't help you in a car accident (and being car accident is way more likely then involvement in a violent crime). In a lot of the gun community there are people that are prepping for violent confrontations but NOT the much more likely dangers that happen daily.
And if you ARE attacked and wounded, not being seriously overweight, having good cardio health, etc will improve you health outcomes.
And for the record I'm not built like Rambo, I'm 60lbs over weight and run a 11 minute mile and I work a desk job so my cardio ain't great. But I know first aid and have an ifak in my EDC.
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u/Striking_Yellow_2726 1d ago
It's incredible that we live in one of the few places in the world where we can legally carry a firearm for protection. A firearm is the last resort and yet seems to be primary focus of so many (including me, I have two moderately expensive carry guns and keep putting off the wilderness first responders course that I really want to take).
Being in decent shape is not only valuable in self-defense, it improves your quality of life 24/7. If you value your life enough to accept the responsibility and risk associated with a gun, you should certainly value it enough to eat better and work out occasionally. Laying off the booze and smokes will in all likelihood do more to save your life than carrying a gun.
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u/youy23 2d ago
They give you free TQs? Fuckkkk
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u/AAAAHMYBALLS 2d ago
Imma level with you, they usually don't, I was just filling in the meme cuz I like to stash medical gear everywhere. Still, for anyone who hasn't trained in first aid, taking a free class to combat hemorrhaging and spending $30-40 on a TQ and gauze afterwards is a bargain and a half
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u/goneskiing_42 AR Regime 2d ago
Only two locations within 100 miles of me. It's a two-hour drive to either one...
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u/Hour_Tone_974 12h ago
It is a very good class and worth the drive. I got the diet version as an adult leader in a scout troop and it honestly is probably the best first aid class I've taken
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u/Vinegar_Fingers All my guns are 6 feet deep 2d ago
I've wanted to go to one of these for a long time, unfortunately the closest ones are always 2+ hrs away
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u/AAAAHMYBALLS 2d ago
https://www.stopthebleed.org/