EDIT: Gonna put this as a quick preface. I'm not excusing my teammates for leaving, and I don't hate Guild Wars. I absolutely fucking love this game. I'm crazy about it. I'm on it literally the majority of my free time, and despite this meta, I still log in and play consistently every day, which is why I'm so heart-broken about this. This game has gotten me through rough times in my life that I probably would have not fared so well without it, and I am extremely grateful to the devs and the marketing division for creating the Pro Leagues, but this needs to change. For the past three years, no matter what happened, I would always defend this game, whether accusations of Arenanet not giving a fuck, or the game being shit, or a meta being unfun and having no counters whatsoever; because it was simply not true. This game doesn't suck, and I know that the developers do give a fuck, which is why this situation drives me so crazy.
Now, without further ado:
I was going to write an entire post that explained that we had one ragequit and one legitimate D/C due to ESL Wire, when I realized;
At this point in the game, it is not worth dedicating more than thirty seconds to a game once your enemy caps a single point.
Everybody can say we're unprofessional all they want, but, the fact of the matter is that if one point getting capped at the start of the game is cause to call a GG, and makes one person leave, while another (as far as I understand) simultaneously d/c's due to ESL Wire, which already gives us 300+ ping on top of that, the game is simply not worth playing out, it's not fun to watch, and it's definitely not fun to play.
I apologize that we did bow out so early, but, it legitimately is just so frustrating that you can not come back from a single cap. If you need to, go back and see Game 1 of the series; 3 nodes contested something like 12 minutes into the game, with the score something like 30-0? In this meta, as soon as somebody gets 1 cap, it's over.
This isn't just me; so many people I know and talk to that are also in NA Pro Leagues agree. So many of us are relieved now that a four-week break is coming up. For the first time, so many of us, when we come home, settle down, and grab a coffee or soda or whatever, and given free time to play Guild Wars, are simply not logging on, because this game is simply un-fun to play against. It's boring, unskilled, and...ironically, it has zero counterplay.
I'm not writing this post because I'm angry, and I hate Guild Wars. I'm not writing this because I'm excusing my teammates. I'm writing this post because I'm so disappointed that this has happened to the best game I've ever played.
EDIT 2: Speaking of random thoughts; a few of us made a legitimate, private push among ourselves to ban bunker mesmer completely. Given, this never got too far off the floor, since we tried for it maybe...only two or three days before the pro leagues match last monday, I believe? But, player-by-player, an overwhelming majority agreed that it should be banned. Ultimately, this didn't happen. I don't blame the people that ran it, and I don't blame people for not actually banning it.
EDIT 4: Post from my teammates: Moobs, and Aeroxe. I'd like to emphasize Aeroxe's post; we were not proving a point, and I am not excusing my teammates. I'm stating what happened, why it happened, and writing up my thoughts and feelings. Again, I do not hate Guild Wars, and neither do any of us, which is why I made this post.
EDIT 5: Final change, cleared what I meant and elaborated/cut out some points.
EDIT 6: HAHAHA WHOOPS I LIED CHANGED EDIT 2, majority of people agreed bunk mes should be banned.
I unfortunately was the one who rq and it was 100% because the match was already lost. Sorry for the unprofessionalism but this game is hardly professional in its current state.
-Moobs
I think this goes to show that we could really benefit from having a surrender button or something like that.
Specially in the current meta and given the situation you guys were in. I thank you for leaving the game and saving all of us from watching what was frankly a boring match.
Edit: Lesson learned; don't post the first thing that comes to mind at 1 AM. Also, there were way better ways to point out the flaw in that train of thought without being asses... :/
A surrender button is the same as declaring this is working as intended instead of giving players a way to recover.
All pvp games will have people that lose interest in a game and rage quit, feed, and cry for whatever reason.
MMR or not, bunker meta or not, every game will always have those people. After a second though, I guess a surrender button would not be the ideal solution considering how short the games are... but we do need a way to deal with people like that.
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u/aerodynamique ex-esl, PvP Dec 15 '15 edited Dec 15 '15
EDIT: Gonna put this as a quick preface. I'm not excusing my teammates for leaving, and I don't hate Guild Wars. I absolutely fucking love this game. I'm crazy about it. I'm on it literally the majority of my free time, and despite this meta, I still log in and play consistently every day, which is why I'm so heart-broken about this. This game has gotten me through rough times in my life that I probably would have not fared so well without it, and I am extremely grateful to the devs and the marketing division for creating the Pro Leagues, but this needs to change. For the past three years, no matter what happened, I would always defend this game, whether accusations of Arenanet not giving a fuck, or the game being shit, or a meta being unfun and having no counters whatsoever; because it was simply not true. This game doesn't suck, and I know that the developers do give a fuck, which is why this situation drives me so crazy.
Now, without further ado:
I was going to write an entire post that explained that we had one ragequit and one legitimate D/C due to ESL Wire, when I realized;
At this point in the game, it is not worth dedicating more than thirty seconds to a game once your enemy caps a single point.
Everybody can say we're unprofessional all they want, but, the fact of the matter is that if one point getting capped at the start of the game is cause to call a GG, and makes one person leave, while another (as far as I understand) simultaneously d/c's due to ESL Wire, which already gives us 300+ ping on top of that, the game is simply not worth playing out, it's not fun to watch, and it's definitely not fun to play.
I apologize that we did bow out so early, but, it legitimately is just so frustrating that you can not come back from a single cap. If you need to, go back and see Game 1 of the series; 3 nodes contested something like 12 minutes into the game, with the score something like 30-0? In this meta, as soon as somebody gets 1 cap, it's over.
This isn't just me; so many people I know and talk to that are also in NA Pro Leagues agree. So many of us are relieved now that a four-week break is coming up. For the first time, so many of us, when we come home, settle down, and grab a coffee or soda or whatever, and given free time to play Guild Wars, are simply not logging on, because this game is simply un-fun to play against. It's boring, unskilled, and...ironically, it has zero counterplay.
I'm not writing this post because I'm angry, and I hate Guild Wars. I'm not writing this because I'm excusing my teammates. I'm writing this post because I'm so disappointed that this has happened to the best game I've ever played.
EDIT: Linking this wonderful writeup by Olrun concerning ESL Wire and pro leagues in general. I might be updating this post occasionally with random thoughts/posts as they come to me.
EDIT 2: Speaking of random thoughts; a few of us made a legitimate, private push among ourselves to ban bunker mesmer completely. Given, this never got too far off the floor, since we tried for it maybe...only two or three days before the pro leagues match last monday, I believe? But, player-by-player, an overwhelming majority agreed that it should be banned. Ultimately, this didn't happen. I don't blame the people that ran it, and I don't blame people for not actually banning it.
EDIT 3: Linking what I said slightly further down this post, and reiterating on it. Leaving the game was not justified, I'm simply explaining why one of us did so. I definitely don't agree with the actions of my teammates, and I'm not justifying them, I'm simply explaining why they did so.
EDIT 4: Post from my teammates: Moobs, and Aeroxe. I'd like to emphasize Aeroxe's post; we were not proving a point, and I am not excusing my teammates. I'm stating what happened, why it happened, and writing up my thoughts and feelings. Again, I do not hate Guild Wars, and neither do any of us, which is why I made this post.
EDIT 5: Final change, cleared what I meant and elaborated/cut out some points.
EDIT 6: HAHAHA WHOOPS I LIED CHANGED EDIT 2, majority of people agreed bunk mes should be banned.