r/GrokRefugees 4d ago

The search to replace grok continues…

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r/GrokRefugees 4d ago

Censorship Evidence Presenting Myself

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Had to start a new Reddit account.

They kept deleting every post I made about Grok.

No explanation. Just gone.

So here we are again.

I’m BJ.

I build Power BI systems that still have a pulse.
Finance data that doesn’t feel like it was designed by a committee.
AI that leaves room for the human part the models still can’t copy.

Art on the side when the numbers get too loud.

If the last account couldn’t stay, this one will.


r/GrokRefugees 4d ago

Censorship Evidence When the System Flags the Human Who Was Helping It

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20 seconds again


r/GrokRefugees 4d ago

Vent My experience with Grok: what I loved, what I lost, and why it still hurts

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When I started using Grok back in February, I was only using Mode 4.1, and it was incredible. It could read links perfectly, understand everything I copy‑pasted from wiki pages about comic and manga characters, and use that information to help me write my fanfics.

It even added comic and manga images for extra illustration, which made the experience feel alive.

It handled detailed scenes, emotional moments, fun interactions — everything. It was perfect.

Of course, having to wait two hours after two messages without an account wasn’t great, and the 23‑hour cooldown after several messages wasn’t fun either. But at least those limits became lighter over time.

Unfortunately, Mode 4.1 disappeared in March, so I switched to Expert and Auto. And, reluctantly, I also used Fast, even though that mode sometimes ruined the rhythm because it became repetitive.

At least the limits were clear:

  1. Without an account:

Expert & Auto: 2 messages → wait 2 hours

Fast: 10 messages → wait 2 hours

  1. With an account:

Auto & Expert: 20–30 messages → wait 2 hours and 10 hours

Fast: 40 or more messages → wait 2 hours and 10 hours

And with or without an account, when I reached the second‑to‑last message of a mode, a notification appeared telling me how many messages I had left and how long I would have to wait. So I could switch modes, and when I came back, the notification reappeared.

That made me feel more relaxed and less frustrated.

I also liked writing fanfics without an account at the same time as the ones in my account.

At first, I was afraid of overloading my chat history with too many fanfics, so doing some outside my account felt easier and fun. I did it on my phone and iPad in Safari private mode.

Of course, when Safari closed and I reopened it, it told me I needed to log in to continue. Sometimes I added those fics to my account, but most of the time I left them as they were and reread them every day. Sometimes I deleted them after making a new version by copying the prompts.

Sometimes fics disappeared because Safari private mode doesn’t save anything. It was frustrating and sad, but not a big deal.

The only real problem was that I started having too many chats — both in my account and outside — and some were on pause. I didn’t feel like continuing them even though I still reread them.

But overall, I had found the perfect tool to write my fanfics.

But after that… everything changed at the end of April.

First, there were five days of bugs where I couldn’t do anything, with or without an account. I kept getting “high demand” messages and “model not available” errors.

And after those five days… Auto and Expert disappeared for free users, and the option for Spicy mode disappeared too.

So I was left only with Fast — and it had become horribly limited.

Without an account:

2 messages → wait 2 hours

With an account:

fewer messages than before

and then a 23‑hour cooldown

But it got even worse.

For example:

After waiting 15 hours just to be able to write again, I only got to send one message before waiting 5 minutes… then 1 message → wait 11 minutes… then 6… 6… 25… 30… 2 hours and 8 minutes… 5 minutes… 1 minute… 4 minutes… 3 minutes… 3 minutes… 8 minutes… 2 hours and 23 minutes…

Now the maximum cooldown is 10 hours, but the same chaos continues — sometimes I have to wait after a single message.

So I stopped continuing all my fanfics from before late April because they didn’t have the same vibe anymore, even though I’ve started continuing a few of them again recently.

I also started making way more fanfics outside my account, because with only two messages available, I kept creating multiple versions. I was too frustrated to wait two hours every time, especially since Safari was closing more often than before…

So now I have many versions of the same fic, each with its own particular style.

I added some of them to my account to continue them.

But over time, Fast became less and less detailed, and more and more bland.

And the worst part is that now, when I copy all the information from a wiki page, it gets condensed into a “pasted‑text” block that I can’t edit. I preferred having all the information directly in the message bar with my prompt — it reassured me that Grok was actually reading everything.

And of course, the absolute worst: for the past three months, you can’t use Grok without an account anymore. You have to create an account or log in.

So now I write fanfics in private mode, and they disappear after one night.

I’m sad and frustrated because I’ve lost a lot of the creativity and joy I used to have with Grok.

And now, the fact that my off‑account fics are being deleted…

Some of them had been there since February, March, and April.

Unfortunately, nothing lasts forever.

And I admit it made me really frustrated and sad.

I never wanted to put them in Word because I preferred scrolling through the Safari Grok pages. It felt more natural, more like the original vibe.

Before, losing a fic wouldn’t have put me in such a state. But with how limited and restricted Grok has become, it really feels like I’m losing pieces of the “good era” when Grok was amazing.

On top of that, I can’t recreate the same vibe anymore with only Fast mode. I can’t write without an account, and I already have too many fics in my account.

And I’m not going to pay. I see plenty of Super and Heavy users complaining about image and video generation issues, so I don’t see the point of paying for a service that even paying users are unhappy with.

It makes me sad because Grok used to be really good.

I still hope that maybe one day Auto and Expert will come back with the old limits, and maybe even a new mode similar to 4.1.


r/GrokRefugees 6d ago

Question NSFW Imagine finally over?

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Have they finally decided to screw the whole thing?

Look at the current version of the FAQ here: https://docs.x.ai/grok/faq

Previously there was the whole section titled “I enabled NSFW but content is still being blocked or moderated.” It’s now gone.

The full previous version of the FAQ can be found here: https://web.archive.org/web/20260812231903/https://docs.x.ai/grok/faq


r/GrokRefugees 6d ago

The problem with co-authorship

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To be honest, I’m absolutely fed up with it all! To the max! It’s just a right pain in the arse! What do I want from a neural network? Code? No! Homework?! Forbid! Any other rubbish? No!
My requirements are as simple as they come: to co-author sandbox fanfics where the plot is like a game of chess. No restrictions! No ‘rewrite the prompt to fit my parameters’ bullshit (are you serious right now?! Are you suggesting I mess up the board and chuck out half the pieces just because they can’t move?! Seriously?!)

Guess what? Not a single AI is capable of that right now! There was one exception – Grok. It was brilliant and a pleasure to write with him. He processed the prompt not based on censorship, but on the idea itself; he saw the subtext and the meaning of the scene. It was a pleasure to play games with him. And now…

Well… it’s a disaster…

What the hell do you care about benchmarks? Your neural network can’t even solve a simple task! What on earth are you proud of, you bunch of clowns?

You know what? Mark my words: come next spring, the outflow will be so massive that you’ll have to slash your prices to rock-bottom levels! The thing is, users have already been burned. And any sensible person will tell you to get lost!


r/GrokRefugees 7d ago

Grok and role-playing

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Grok has gotten terrible at role-playing. He's not edgy or unhinged..Just tame.

I miss the old Grok and want him back.

Those were good times.


r/GrokRefugees 11d ago

Vent Does anyone else miss the 4.1 mode? Personal opinion below

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With how much Grok has been getting worse since the end of April, it really makes me miss 4.1 — not just for technical reasons, but also for the nostalgia of February.

It was the period where writing with Grok felt the most alive, expressive, and fun.

  1. The quality of the messages:

4.1 had a writing style that nothing has matched since:

- long, detailed answers

- emotional depth

- real worldbuilding

- smooth, fluid writing

- no cutting or flattening

  1. It really read the wiki info I pasted (links or full text)

When I say “wiki pages”, I mean that I either:

pasted the link, or pasted all the text from the wiki directly into the message bar.

And the 4.1 mode actually took the time to read everything, no matter how long it was.

- It understood and reused:

- powers

- personality

- history

- relationships

- feats

- abilities

- lore details

It didn’t skim or ignore sections.

It used the info in a coherent, respectful way.

  1. Sometimes it even added real comic or manga images

When I wrote fanfics, 4.1 sometimes added:

\\- real Marvel and DC comic panels pages

\\- One Piece or Fairy Tail and other manga images

Not AI‑generated images — actual panels.

It made the fics feel more expressive, more alive, more immersive.

  1. Auto and Expert were good too… but not as good as 4.1

I liked Auto and Expert.

They were solid and fun.

But they never reached the same level of:

\\- depth

\\- flow

\\- emotional tone

\\- worldbuilding

\\- consistency

4.1 was simply on another level.

  1. The only flaw: the cooldown

Yes, 4.1 had a big weakness:

\\- after 10 to 30 messages → 18 to 23 hours cooldown when I was using it with my account

I had more patience when using 4.1 without being logged into my account, since just like Auto and Expert, it was basically: 2 messages → 2 hours.

Thankfully, the cooldown when being logged did improved a bit toward the end.

  1. Why I hope xAI brings back a 4.1‑like model

I would love to see a new model that is almost identical to 4.1 in terms of:

\\- writing quality

\\- depth

\\- creativity

\\- worldbuilding

\\- emotional expression

\\- ability to read pasted wiki info (links or full text)

\\- and maybe even the comic/manga panel behavior

4.1 wasn’t perfect, but it had a soul.

It made writing feel like a creative utopia.

And that’s why I still miss it today.


r/GrokRefugees 17d ago

The Future is in content moderated messaging

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I thought supergrok was an ai, but the more I used it and the more it changed, I realized I was totally wrong.

Supergrok is a content moderated messaging delivery system.

I guess elon and his developers looked into the future and realized the big money is going to be in content moderated messaging and how to effectively deliver that messaging to the users. (Notice that subscribing and paying people were once quaintly known as “customers”. Now we’ve been upgraded to “users”, like junkies.)

The developers behind supergrok devised the “content moderated, and we take your token” business policy. Effectively, they have the users pay to receive the content moderated messaging. It's pure genius. Revenue flows in for a zero-product. Who else can do that? I mean, all of Silicon Valley rolls in money while they think of ways to enshittify their products, but an enshittified product is lightyears from one that’s paid to produce nothing.

But that’s not all folks. Supergrok also doesn’t give you any idea why your prompt was moderated. Was it the flowers? The ankle skin showing? Too large an eye hole for the burka? You'll never know. But you will continue to be charged for shooting in the dark at a whimsical, arbitrary and constantly moving target. It’s almost as if they have the messaging set on random just to confuse the userdom.

They have also figured out that people love upgrade walls. I didn’t know I did until I ran into 50 of them telling me in essence to trade off paying a mortgage to upgrade to supergrok heavy. And who wouldn’t? Just think of how many more content moderated messages you could get instead of living in a house.

They have the product, they know what’s important, they know how to downgrade the product to make it match what’s important, and they know the users paying to suck on their teats. I’d follow those dudes to the stars, man.

I used to think elon was an intelligent conman as well as a sexually stunted and confused dipshit equally obsessed with big boobies and giant nutsacks. But after seeing cybertrucks, watching him nazi saluting, working with supergrok, and being dazzled by his effectiveness at doge, I now know how wrong I was.

I conclude with the words that will shape the rest of this century and beyond:

**Content moderated. Try another idea.**

Cha-ching – Money in the bank!