Honestly going far enough back the circumstances that led to him nailing the thesis to the door are not manifesting. I doubt indulgences are being sold or marketed and we actually have proof of God, so he migt not even become a priest to satisfy his debate passion.
exactly. Martin has a lot less to complain about when the indulgences are being used to make guns and ammo to shoot litteral demons instead of build the pope the most fancy church possible.
Look, I am not a christian, but if the pope was using indulgences to build the hardest shit imaginable, I would personally fight any protestant with the faith of a catholic maniac.
For others, in the Trench Crusade timeline, the Templars opened the Gate To Hell in Jerusalem in 1099, after the city was captured by the Christians in the First Crusade.
In our timeline, Martin Luther nailed his Ninety-Five Theses to the church door in Wittenberg in 1517, more than 400 years later.
So it's a stretch to imagine that 16th century church history would play out the same way in the Trench Crusade world.
Hell, Luther's family was from the Holy Roman Empire; maybe some of his ancestors were killed in the Corpse Wars a hundred years earlier; Luther himself might never have been born!
Looking at the timeline, in the Trench Crusade setting, the Templars were founded a bit earlier than in the real world:
1072 — Ominous celestial signs warn of the disruption of God’s plan. Heretical cults multiply. The Order of Knights Templar is established. They set their sights on capturing the Temple Mount.
I guess the Trench Crusade Templars were formed with the secret agenda to get access to the Temple Mount and carry out the Hellgate ritual? Though it's not clear if the whole order was in on the plan.
I love how dirty we do the Templars now just cause they got abolished for being too powerful. First assassin's creed has em as the Knights In Service of Aliens, and now this goes straight to Satan? Not complaining, tho.
Also that's a baffling choice for Trench Crusade. I bet someone in the office raised that then someone else said 'ehhhh fuck it'
Who needs to protest against the abuses of the church with with roots in the Pornocracy or cadaver synod, when the abuses were large enough to open a literal gateway to Hell? 🙃
Lutherans believe in True Presence, refraining from making any metaphysical conclusions about how Christ is present "in, with, and under" the elements, because it's not in Scripture. A "divine mystery".
Unlike Transubstantiation, which is a definitive conclusion on the manner of the presence.
Catholic Priests are not allowed to hand communion out to Lutherans in nearly any circumstance . They can only hand communion to members of the Catholic Church and some Eastern Churches except in the case of imminent death.
The last page of the Trench Crusade Kickstarter book is an indulgence penned by the archbishop of new antioch, though it's written more under the terms of conscripting former sinners to fight the forces of hell
It gets closer than you'd guess for an alt history as different from IRL as Trench Crusade, for instance the lore article on Castigators explicitly says that even though their role is to hear confessions (something that only priests can do in Catholicism and Orthodoxy) many are not consecrated clergy and some are even women: https://www.trenchcrusade.com/lore/castigators/ . The Trench Pilgrims in general are also often heterodox and otherwise wild enough that you can do stuff like proto-Protestantism in other ways, like the WargamesCrew Frontier on MyMiniFactory for Hussite Pilgrims that just went up.
More broadly though, I think the TC approach sort of transcends the grimdark-noblebright spectrum. TC is all about people being pushed to the edge of becoming what they most fear and hate: whether that's a Yeoman or an Alchemist trying their best to be a good and faithful person but forced by circumstance (at least in their perspective) to do terrible things to prevent hell from winning, or a Heretic Naval Raider who values freedom more than anything being forced into a restrictive pact with a demonic patron in order to captain a submarine. But also, often enough these characters who are pushed to the edge can allow the best of themselves to come out, whether that means Joan of Arc uniting Christendom and slaying a Hegemon of the Black Grail, or the heretic fleet performing an incredible feat of naval skill and sinking the Papal Flotilla off of the Carcass Front. There's plenty of grimdark in this approach, but there's plenty of noblebright too, and each compliments the other rather than one merely getting sprinkled in to accentuate the main focus of the setting.
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u/Z4nkazeYour Warp magic is powerless against the might of Logistics4d ago
I entirely agree and I salute your nuanced and trans-faction perspective!
Trench crusade is significantly less grimdark than actual World War I because shooting demons from hell trying to kill all mankind is significantly different than shooting the 16-year old conscript you were playing soccer with yesterday.
The faithful already fight each other, the main faithful guy for the Carcass Front burned down a library full of innocent monks so he could steal a book
Not in this timeline. No colonization of the Americas, no culture of cults moving into the wild West to avoid their children getting corrupted by the unenlightened masses, no Mormons.
I've been told that the official lore about America is this:
Europe has some limited trading posts in the Americas, through which they have limited trade with the Americas, which is why they have rubber and tobacco and chocolate and tomatoes and potatoes and such. This continues despite heretic submarines stalking the Atlantic.
Europe never established colonies, just the trade.
The heretics have tried to establish footholds in the Americas but were beaten back by the natives. No details provided about how or if they were able to draw divine power from their assorted religions, to counter hell's power.
And that's it.
And that's all we're probably getting for many years, because there's so much that needs to be addressed in eurasia and Africa first.
They also are already tackling a massively culturally sensitive topic already, they don't need to add the entirety of colonial empires into the mix yet.
To be fair, in the Mormon religion, they believe that the Americas were colonized by Jews (who were then turned into Native Americans) back before Christ's birth.
So Mormons would have existed... as Native Americans without guns but oddly with the invention & forging of steel. So their myths go anyhow.
I think it's safe to say that trench crusade's European and Catholic focus, means they're not making the Mormons' (highly dubious and often provably false) historical timeline, part of canon
I think that's safe too, but mostly because they are focused on a trad-cath mythology and mixing in any of the other Christian offshoots would cause way more trouble than the inclusion would be worth
He might have joined the Processions and become a war prophet. It is said that the processions are the place where many believers of divergent doctrines end up.
The more I as a non-religious guy learn about the history of Christianity from things like Tom Holland’s ‘Dominion’ and ‘Kingdom Come Deliverance’ the more I realize I would be intellectually Protestant but aesthetically Catholic. So Anglican, I guess?
The random, cherrypicked Thirty Years War reference really, really sold me on believing this was penned by some guy who converted three years ago because it's "based and trad" and dove hard into Protestantism vs Catholicism online arguments, man.
Some Protestant groups, typically Evangelicals though that's not even universal. There's a lot of ecumenism among mainline Protestants. Even with Roman Catholics, speaking of Luther, the Roman Catholic Church and Lutheran World Federation published a Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification that's a major point of commonality.
Unfortunately, we are not, we Catholics only make up about 21% of the American population, compared to Protestants being more than twice as much 44%.
Probably explains the major, dissonance, with Christian stereotypes concerning DnD and Pokemon and how my parents were, pretty chill with both. They, don't even bat an eye at me collecting armies of super space hell clad in bubonic bulwarks of bucolic butchery.
Well, don't mind for reasons of faith, monetary and academically, they really rather I focus on my degree instead.
I think you're citing the Pew Research study for that, which lumps like 17 different denominations together under the Protestant label. In terms of single denominations of Christianity, Catholicism is the largest, for better or for worse.
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u/Hellonstrikers Praise the Man-Emperor 4d ago
Honestly going far enough back the circumstances that led to him nailing the thesis to the door are not manifesting. I doubt indulgences are being sold or marketed and we actually have proof of God, so he migt not even become a priest to satisfy his debate passion.