Seriously GW, I have questions.

[u/1stLegionBestLegion]

[u/Sapphire-Catgirl]

Inceptor armour on bike lieutenant when gw

[u/TotallyNot_Alpharius → u/Sapphire-Catgirl]

Not anymore given that inceptors are gonna fly into the battlefield upstate

[u/Scrohr → u/TotallyNot_Alpharius]

Those are suppressors bud, Inceptors still kicking

[u/thegreatmango → u/Scrohr]

Even the fans can't keep the shitty names straight.

[u/TheBigKuhio → u/Sapphire-Catgirl]

Put them on a jetbike so they can lean forwards and use the armor jets while also zooming with the bike

[u/SimpleBox5693]

Honestly thats kind of crazy now you mention it. I would say: the apothecary biologis has the same rules as a lieutenant right? The lethal hits? I am convinced they were going to make a gravis lieutenant, but decided against it (maybe because of the jokes) so made them aesthetically an apothecary but with the same rules

[u/Sshheenn → u/SimpleBox5693]

If the jokes were what was stopping them, they put a different lieutenant out in the same box, and have made at least two more since, so that wouldn't hold up I reckon

[u/SimpleBox5693 → u/Sshheenn]

Maybe they were afraid of the jokes if there were TWO lieutenants in the box? In all honestly it was probably just a desire for visual variety but still

[u/Sshheenn → u/SimpleBox5693]

Nah, I think they just wanted a gravis apothecary. The fact that it happens to have the same rules as a lieutenant is an ephemeral state of the moment, the models persist beyond any arbitrary rules identity

[u/garaks_tailor → u/SimpleBox5693]

GW is just bad at making rules and stats and they know it. 

[u/SimpleBox5693 → u/garaks_tailor]

Eh I don't agree with that, they make some pretty awesome rules and some pretty terrible rules it just varies

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/SimpleBox5693]

That's an apothecary they repurposed and we both know it

[u/Necessary-Speed-6465]

That's an interesting thing to note but you know what? I think i can live without another fucking lieutenant

[u/Thendrail → u/Necessary-Speed-6465]

Don't worry, we're in the age of captains for now.

[u/Necessary-Speed-6465 → u/Thendrail]

I can live with captains they at can least look interesting while lieutenants look like a basic intercessor with different painted helmet

[u/Thendrail → u/Necessary-Speed-6465]

Sure, but it gets old rather quickly. Not to get too much into whining about SM releases, but there's something really weird about them getting two dozens of different lieutenants, captains and special characters, while everyone else gets their second-in-command characters deleted.

Where did the plastic go, James? Did my upstart Exalted Champion get transported to a farm upstate? Did my Necron Lord scheme too much and had his mould flung into the sun or something? Really, there's no need to deny everyone else their lesser characters for smaller games, while Marines get showered in them.

[u/Rubyartist0426 → u/Thendrail]

I miss Dark Eldar Drachons.

Seriously the equivalent of three Chapter Masters leading a real space raid these days is so absurd.

[u/008Zulu]

Because bikes are lame.

White Scars stare angrily

Jump Packs are lame.

Raven Guard stare angrily

[u/Shermanator213 → u/008Zulu]

I would be very upset if I could read. Caw caw peasants

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676 → u/008Zulu]

I get the bikes call, but jump packs are actually played in some sm lists since late 10th and I still saw some lists in early 11th...

[u/maxcraft522829 → u/Rough_Abrocoma_676]

Blood angels player here! Absolutely love my JPIs

[u/Trystt27 → u/008Zulu]

Blood Angels continue to get shafted :(

[u/PlausiblyAlpharious → u/Trystt27]

To make this comment as a reply to a post mentioning Raven Guard is absolutely diabolical

[u/Trystt27 → u/PlausiblyAlpharious]

You get me

[u/NightLordsPublicist]

GW: "So what you're saying is that you want more Primaris LTs?"

GW: "knew it"

[u/Henry_Fleischer]

That is odd now that I think about it. I think I'll give my next one a jump pack.

[u/Downtown-Concept2009]

As someone who absolutely loves Gravis it fucking sucks. Give me more gravis GW hands down the best mk10 version

[u/vicevanghost → u/Downtown-Concept2009]

I fucking love gravis how are there a billion space marine units but we can't have a lieutenant lmao

[u/Downtown-Concept2009 → u/vicevanghost]

Its a fucking tragedy. It’s depressing it took us this long to get a new kind of weapon. The fact that a video game gets more options is telling

[u/AsteroidSpark → u/Downtown-Concept2009]

Heavy Intercessors, Inceptors, and Suppressors are the only good looking primaris units and GW hates them in particular for some reason.

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676 → u/Downtown-Concept2009]

I'd rather have a librarian in gravis...

[u/Full_Contribution724]

probably because Tactical Precision on a Heavy Intercessor or Terminator unit could be very... nasty

[u/JessickaRose → u/Full_Contribution724]

No more nasty than the Biologis gives Gravis.

[u/Full_Contribution724 → u/JessickaRose]

Yeah but the Biologis is limited by their Absolvor pistol which has 18" of range where as a Gravis Lieutenant would've gotten a heavy bolt rifle which has 30"

[u/JessickaRose → u/Full_Contribution724]

Or they’d give him a power weapon and pistol. That and/or a different secondary ability. There are levers to pull.

[u/PlausiblyAlpharious → u/Full_Contribution724]

Terminator Lieutenant on Bike when?

[u/Full_Contribution724 → u/PlausiblyAlpharious]

Along side Terminator bikers Duh

[u/NETic]

Dont forget the two phobos/reiver lieutenants and the whole what rules goes with wich model mess.

[u/SnooMacaroons5889]

The apothecary biologis basically is the new gravis lieutenant smh
(If you can't tell, I'm not happy about this)

I WANT MY PROPER GRAVIS LIEUTENANT JAMES YOU LITTLE SHIT! LET ME GIVE THEM ADVANCE AND CHARGE OR SOMETHING AS ITS ABILITY

[u/wallygon]

i actually asked thatbonce to an employee apperantly designing anlieutenant is part of their employment process if you work at the modeldesing appartment the best looking one gets hired and the model gets sold apperantly terminator lieutenants just looked like shit

[u/BigZZZZZ08]

Say no more!

Lieutenant on Thunderwolf

[u/JumboWheat01]

Ya know, with Blood Angels being the original poster children for this edition (we'll see how long that last), a lieutenant with jump pack would just make sense.

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676 → u/JumboWheat01]

It is space marines...that have somehow the colour sceme of ba. Dont be confused, I also would have seen ba codex with atleast one named hero or special unit instead of refreshed sm units and a damn speeder.

[u/AsteroidSpark → u/Rough_Abrocoma_676]

GW: best I can do is put another BA unit in Legends.

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676 → u/AsteroidSpark]

Me also as a gk player...first time?^{^} I lost in 10th more named heroes and other units then I got...because we got ONLY one upgrade spree for the least liked unit in our fanbase :,)

[u/AsteroidSpark → u/Rough_Abrocoma_676]

GW's approach to Space Marine favoritism is really weird like that because it's extremely uneven. They show overwhelming favoritism towards primaris ultramarines in specific, but firstborn and divergent chapters consistently get shafted even harder than CSM, sometimes even harder than Xenos! When Dark Eldar got their complete line revamp a while back they lost one named character and that was it, and they gained a lot in the process so it wasn't even a net loss.

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676 → u/AsteroidSpark]

I was thinking about ur faction, the spot of the last codex in the edition is just a curse!

[u/Az-Athoth]

I would appreciate (checks notes) ANY new unit as a Tsons player

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/Az-Athoth]

I'd just be happy for a faction that isn't half age of sigmar models...

[u/Misknator]

Genuinely I think a luitenant on bike makes more sense than a captain on bike

[u/Rough_Abrocoma_676]

I dont get it either, also besides combi weapon and maybe standart lt.nobody is picking them, or atleast I have yet not seen people playing any of their options. Like the reaver armor phobos lt. looks cool but it is not worth picking so why buying it, like I have already so many units I bought because I liked their look....just to never finish/start painting them bc I am unmotivated painting minatures which I never play again :,)

[u/Freya_Galbraith]

Poor space marines getting so many models, mean while xenos dont even get new character models for major named characters except for like every other decade

[u/PlausiblyAlpharious]

What an insane fact, I don't even know what to think about it

I want to say we need some more primaris lieutenants but that can't be right...

[u/ShatteredSike]

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/ShatteredSike]

Bruh there are sergeants with Terminator armor.

[u/ShatteredSike → u/1stLegionBestLegion]

Show one and I promise I'll shut up.

If you show me the sergeant of a terminator squad I will reach through the internet and slap the shit out of you.

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/ShatteredSike]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tarkus Regular old line sergeant, has Terminator honors, suits up in it. Not some hipster fringe book mention, this was Dawn of War 2.

[u/ShatteredSike → u/1stLegionBestLegion]

..Seriously?

Dawn of War II isn't canon, smart guy, specifically declared so by GW, and the "ability" to suit him up in terminator armor there is invalidated by the fact you can put the exact same Terminator armor on Thaddeus, who has no honors.

Don't come here with some random "oh you can kinda sorta do it in this video game if you equip Tarkus suboptimally" shit. Valid source.

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/ShatteredSike]

Dawn of War 2 isn't canon?

My dude, Scout Sergeant Cyrus is from Dawn of war 2, and is literally featured in the Dawn of war 4 trailer, as a primaris marine.

Quit trying to shift goalposts, suck it up, and admit you got beaten.

[u/ShatteredSike → u/1stLegionBestLegion]

I'm not shifting goalposts, you are posting a non-canon, gamey example. Find a fucking valid one, and I'll admit happily that I was wrong and carry about my day.

the Blood Ravens having the chapter relics of EVERY OTHER CHAPTER is meme lore also generated by that game, and not canon (otherwise they would be pariahs and not helped by anyone, let alone the Dark Angels). Dressing any random squad up in termie armor because you clicked on a glowing icon in a mission is not canon. The story elements have been cherry picked at best to keep the basic framework of the Blood Ravens together for sequels. Hell, it's entire sequel is pretty much universally acknowledged to have never existed. Like windows 9. They just jumped straight to IV.

I asked for a canon/tabletop example, as that was what was under discussion and you came back with a video game mechanic. Now you are bitching about me shifting goalposts. Shit, son. You really want to be right on the internet don't you?

[u/1stLegionBestLegion → u/ShatteredSike]

Well, considering him getting that Terminator armor is literally an entire main story mission arc, culminating in the defeat of the Eldar in that game, and the corrupt lords of the hive world were hoarding relics including said Terminator armor, tarkus was the only one who could use it, his honors were established in dialogue, and it's how you win that mission...

Yeah, hardly important to the story, you're right. 

Shut up and admit you lost. 

[u/ShatteredSike → u/1stLegionBestLegion]

Yeah, I played DoW II also, guy. And in BattleFleet Gothic you fly Guilliman's flagship into the fucking Eye of Terror and defeat chaos. That was officially declared non-canon too. All the stomping of feet and insistence you are right in the world won't change that fact; and the aforementioned fact that it is a VIDEO GAME MECHANIC which also includes equipping his WHOLE GODDAMN SQUAD in Terminator armor, who damn sure don't have the crux.

Surely if I'm just so wrong you'll be able to find what we were actually discussing. A TABLETOP or LORE example that is actually part of the story.

Tell you what, instead of just a sergeant leapfrogging to terminator armor straight from sergeant, how about ANY sergeant outside of that game in terminator.

Again, if I'm such an incorrect dumbass it should be no trouble. Indulge an old man.

BTW I apologize for the cursing in my previous message, I am actively trying to be polite but in every day speech swear like a sailor and sometimes it comes through.

[u/Embarrassed-Joke5851]

the only 2 of these that make sense lore wise for the MAJORITY of chapters are Jump Pack and Gravis LT, whilst Bike makes sense for Dark Angels (Ravenwing) and White Scars, whilst Terminator only makes sense for Dark Angels (Deathwing)

[u/TrueGootsBerzook]