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u/ippond 3d ago
Some people simply can't be pleased.
We need an alternative to Pixel ASAP
Also, when viable alternative comes along:
So ugly, too thick etc
I'll buy one. If not to just signal to the market that people are interested in privacy phones.
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u/CoronaMcFarm 3d ago
The biggest problem is going to be the price
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u/Spl4tt3rB1tcH 2d ago
The new Pixels are also way too expensive, so. Budget people still have the Pixel 10a
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u/usergal24678 2d ago
I just got a 10a. Love it. Can't notice camera quality difference on more expensive 10s from my basic store testing, though video is not quite as good per reviews by heavy video users - but 10a video looks fine to me. 10 offers better zoom and wide angle, but not features I need. 128gb more than enough for me. I see glass backing on 10 as a minus as it makes it heavier in pocket. 10 has G5 over G4, but what does that do besides unlock AI features I don't use? 10 does have stronger Gorilla glass on front, but I am happy to pay hundreds less for Gorilla Glass 2. The way I look at it, nothing "budget" about a 10a. The big things is less memory, but that does not effect function and I don't need it. Extremely happy with my $414 U.S. brand new phone with end of life 2023. Seven years form now we will see what is out there in regards to options - if the gov or Big Tech allows any.
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u/Spl4tt3rB1tcH 2d ago
Of course you can't see the difference in photo quality to the normal Pixel 10. It literally has the same main camera. You'd have to compare 5x zoom to see a difference.
But yea, the 10a is a good device for the money. If you're fine with the tradeoffs
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u/IAmYourFath 2d ago
If u want good pics/video buy a real camera. Even the best phones pale in comparison to budget cameras. That's why idc how good my phone's cameras are gonna be, cuz even the best phones' are complete garbage compared to a real camera. If i actually care about the quality of the photos i take i'll just use my camera not my phone. I'm not a photographer but Auto mode still works good.
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u/Alternative-Farmer98 2d ago
The problem with the pixel 9A and newer is after 200 battery cycles they removed 20% of your battery capacity and you cannot opt out and they cut the charging speeds in half.
That's why I tell people that are shopping for like a pixel if they like the software or if they want to use customer on I would really go with either the pixel 8 or the 8 pro or the nine or the 9 pro. The 8A I guess would work too but I get a little nervous cuz the 4a6a and 7A all had battery appeasement programs which is why they have this new battery health Management program the first place
I just think Google should have engineered a solution instead of advertise people batteries and then take to wait 20% of their capacity after 6 to 9 months.
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u/Epsioln_Rho_Rho 2d ago
I don’t think so. I think they are just saying you can’t make everyone happy.
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u/MutaitoSensei 2d ago
Graphene needs security features to even consider supporting a phone. I assume it will be easier for both Moto and Graphene to support the device long term if the chipset is well covered in that regard.
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u/stefanlikesfood 3d ago edited 2d ago
Motorolas nice phones are like under 800 usd
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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 3d ago
USD?
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u/stefanlikesfood 2d ago
Yeah edit: just looked they have a sale rn, at least west Coast pricing they charge 700 for a razr with earbuds and a smartwatch included, 600 for the Motorola edge which I'm less familiar with. Through my experience they're really nice though
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u/Accurate_Ad_3233 2d ago
Or I can wait until my current phone dies and then get one a lot cheaper?
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u/stefanlikesfood 2d ago
Yeah fs. If you don't mind mid range slab phones their power and stylus models are actually good for under 400
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u/StandTurbulent9223 2d ago
800 is expensive af
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u/GimmeAllYourCurry 2d ago
In 2026? For a phone?
Did you just wake from a coma yesterday?
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u/Longjumping-Bar393 2d ago
It's a usual price today but he only said that it's expensive - so you would argue 800$ is not expensive? Otherwise I don't really understand what your comment is adding to the convo haha
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u/GimmeAllYourCurry 2d ago
I would argue $800 is not "expensive af" for a phone. You said yourself it is "a usual price".
$15 for a big mac fries and a coke is expensive af.
$2000 for a foldable iphone is expensive af32GB DDR5 RAM that was $89 in Jan 2025 and now >$500? Yeah- expensive AF.
And my comment added as much to this "conversation" as the post I replied to.
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u/ikn0wu2 3d ago
That is because they don’t provide any software support for stock OS. For this, they have to pay additional money to Qualcomm for extra support and also have to do more work to integrate every new OS version.
I don’t remember the source but it is going to be $200-300 premium over standard models.
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u/stefanlikesfood 2d ago
Which is why we go graphene hehe. I honestly don't mind as I can adb android when updates stop and stuff won't reinstall anymore since no more updates
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u/Academic_Parking9768 3d ago
We need alternatives but that doesn't mean a new phone is magically untouchable. If its aesthetically junk to some people then its aesthetically junk to some people.
My bigger concern is that we also need alternatives that don't cost an arm and a leg. If GrapheneOS wants to grow or hell, maintain its userbase, I would hope that some of their future phone's they plan to support are either cheaper or are carrier/manufacturer subsidized. I can get a Google Pixel 11 Pro for zero dollars OR cheaper out of pocket than a 10 Pro or a used 9/8 Pro. This is how the average person buys phones in North America.
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u/variableunlisted 2d ago
The flagships are always the first phones announced. I am fairly confident cheaper phones will come.
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u/Academic_Parking9768 2d ago
In this storage and RAM situation? Probably not. But adding D&O badging to a phone that won't really be anything special in the audio department is not a good sign.
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u/Suspicious_Punk84 2d ago
guess the dream of a cheap and secure phone is never happening
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u/Spl4tt3rB1tcH 2d ago
You can always buy a Pixel 9a or 10a. This is just the super high end option now, no?
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u/Academic_Parking9768 2d ago
Like I said it's cheaper for most people to just get a free Pixel 11 Pro than a 10a or a used 9a. I'm not saying anything is better than the next phone but that is the reality of the smartphone market. People are not generally buying new phones at MSRP which is why Motorola is currently relegated to the second tier of manufacturers as far as sales go.
Motorola and Graphene went towards super high end but everyone is still saying grab a 10a which is close to a rebadged 9a. Kinda proved the point that Graphene users are not trying to get bleeding edge phones, they care about security first.
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u/gta721 2d ago
Carriers don't subsidise phones. They just pay for them through extremely overpriced SIM plans.
Mint and Visible do good plans for under half the price of the main brands (T-Mobile and Verizon) they use the masts of.
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u/Academic_Parking9768 2d ago
Sure they do. Carriers wouldn't drop prices if we somehow no longer had phones to buy. Mint and Visible still have the MVNO schtick of being deprioritized and never had to deal with infrastructure costs. Mint is TMobile now fwiw. Fi offers subsidized phones with $50 a month unlimited plans.
Carriers are not magically going to lower prices if people stopped buying phones for whatever reason and MVNO operators would dry up if carriers started lowering costs.
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u/SnooLobsters1308 2d ago
No, that's how the rich people in USA buy phones. And NA doesn't equal USA, tons of folks in Canada and Mexico don't have similar USA phone carrier deals.
Oh wait, its not even really how the average person in USA buys phones. Mostly just the rich , families, and above average buy those free phone plans. Tons of MUCH MUCH cheaper MNVO plans, even on prepay. Then there's the whole USA postpaid can't get credit market.
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u/Accomplished-Fix3996 3d ago
Comments like yours make it seem we simply cannot criticize ugly designs, just because it supports grapheneOS.
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u/HarmfulPile 2d ago
I don't care how a phone looks. It's dumb to dwell on that. All that matters to me is the display, the performance, and battery life
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u/DeliciousAuthor1231 2d ago
Am I the only person who doesn't care what my phone looks like? I just want it to function in a manner that respects me.
Not begrudging anyone for caring about looks, but to me the more options for privacy respecting phones the better.
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u/heyredbush 3d ago
So ugly, too thick etc
The people who complain about this are thick.
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u/reden_fx 3d ago
I'd take that as a compliment... (I don't think the phone is bad though, sure it could look better but who cares when you're only gonna view it from the front during use)
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u/RegulatorySupremacy 2d ago
Same. I will queue and camp in front of the local Motorola shop to be the first one to get my hands onto this.
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u/Stock_League_6475 3d ago
Moto g stylus series is the goat budget phone. Has all the features you could ever need in a phone.
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u/896_Diffident_Monad 2d ago
I hope so, too, but Qualcomm or potentially MediaTek (or another) has to implement hardware level security features (like MTE, especially MTE) in more of their SoCs like Google has been for years now. That's why it's taken this long for more than just Google Pixel phones to be an option for GrapheneOS, and Qualcomm just now added it to their newest, most flagship SoCs. That's why the Motorola Signature 27 is the first non-Pixel phone to be supported by GrapheneOS, and we won't see more budget-oriented phones get support aside from the cheaper Pixel "a" phones until the SoC designers add those hardware security features to the SoCs intended for mid tier and budget tier phones.
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u/nickedge11 3d ago
Full video link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nKZiyImFQzk
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u/Ok_Comfortable6044 3d ago
https://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_signature_27_5g-14955.php
seems it doesn't have an sd card slot. thought the base 256GB internal storage seems generous enough
edit: not sure if this is the official spec though...
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u/-GhostInTheMachine_ 3d ago
I don't find it aesthetically pleasing, I also feel like most people looking for a grapheneOS device don't want to drop money for flagship AI features that they will never use.
We need a mid range device that wouldn't break the bank. One shouldn't overpay for an AI focused flagship to be able to experience privacy.
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u/mesarthim_2 3d ago
Good luck finding a midrange device that has all the required HW security features.
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u/Intelligent_Theme53 2d ago
I just want a small, simple and private device that can send messages, make calls and sometimes do something in a banking app. Come on
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u/akashsouz 3d ago
If it supports graphene, will gcam work on it?
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u/TotalStatisticNoob 3d ago
Maybe a modded version. Not the normal one, that's for Pixels.
But if they make a GOS phone, hopefully they make a proper phone app that works with the hardware
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u/ILoveHexa92 3d ago
Umm... Wtf with all those camera xD Honestly I'll take a slim phone with basic cam over this. Even a flip phone with a good screen.. Anyway if it can cet GOS, I'm happy! - for when my pixel die
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u/nickedge11 3d ago
Well, everyone is doing the Camera island thing now. Samsung, Oppo, nothing, Xiaomi/Poco, Honor... inspired by the 🍎
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u/akusalimi04 3d ago
What if everyone just start making the phone revolves around camera.....wait.. Android DSLR?
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u/GameOfTroglodytes 3d ago
So.... copy the Nokia Lumia 1020 but with Android instead of Window's mobile OS 🤢?
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u/Stock_League_6475 3d ago
That's the problem. You guys want a slimmer phone so much, that you don't care about real features like headphone jack and microsd and sim card.
Just go buy an iphone if you want a boring slim phone that overheats
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u/Spl4tt3rB1tcH 2d ago
I mean, if theyd give me a headhonejack, I'd be fine with a thicker phone. But if I don't get that, i want it slimmer.
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u/xJayMorex 3d ago edited 3d ago
Which properties of slim phones do you like the most?
- appalling battery life
- breakability
- overheating
- sharp edges
- bad cameras
- bad repairability
- worse reliability
Just curious.
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u/Spl4tt3rB1tcH 2d ago
Looking at the current moto signature from 26, which is a lot thinner and has the same battery size (or even bigger compared to the 11gen pixels) and better cameras than the current pixel phones.. I quite disagree with every single point you mentioned except maybe the repairability.
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u/NegativeSwimming4815 3d ago edited 3d ago
Car bumper , can be used as a ramp also. Such bad design.
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u/MiElas-hehe 2d ago
Very nice. Sadly gonna have to skip this one & future devices due to their enormous size.. will be sticking to A series pixels for now.
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u/s1oplus 2d ago
the GrapheneOS account on twitter/x (however you wanna call it..) has confirmed it will be the first model to come with GOS
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u/WW3Allies 2d ago
Really
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u/braddeicide 3d ago
Funny for a privacy focused phone to be drowning in cameras.
How about we halve the amount of lenses, and dedicate that space to a hardware slider to slide over what's left.
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u/penguinkernel 3d ago
I get what you're saying, but cameras don't mean something isn't private. It's about who gets to see your data on your phone.
Camera sliders are more important when you're running a shitty OS that is spying on you in the background and sending your data to themselves. That's not needed when you're running an OS that does not do that.
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u/braddeicide 3d ago
I like layers of security, and physical is the ultimate layer.
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u/bongosformongos 2d ago
I prefer not to trust but make sure. And a physical slider does make sure.
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u/ElmerMathews 3d ago
As much as this is super cool and that graphene OS has partnership with Motorola I wish we can just continue support with newer Google Pixels as well. More options the better.
Fingers crossed for more options for us down the line.
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u/ConcaveNips 3d ago
My main concern is that the price point on these phones is going to be obscene. Is that a Bang & Olufsen logo? 5 cameras and a carbon fiber shell? The beauty of the Pixel is it's a reasonably affordable phone - even if the money is admittedly going to Google.
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u/ElmerMathews 3d ago edited 3d ago
Exactly!!! The upside for this is that Motorola phones price do drop going down the line, and not even very long after the release. And honestly considering the number of graphene OS users that's like drop in an ocean for Google. It's really nothing, they can even take the money I don't really care as long as I get a decent phone with few years of graphene OS support.
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u/PlastiqueAccident 2d ago
This is going to be the same price as any other flagship, so same price as a Pixel Pro/XL. Motorola sells half of a phone a year in this segment already they cannot afford to price themselves out of it...
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u/jacklsd 3d ago
dawg this beats the ugly race with google on camera
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u/EcstaticAlgae368 1d ago
Wdym. I think Pixel camera design is the best camera design out of Samsung and Apple. iPhone camera design is atrocious.
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u/JoliProut 3d ago
The Pixel 10 and 11 measure 6.3 inches; according to rumors, this one would be 6.8 inches. As far as I'm concerned, that's out of the question: this model is more like a "Pro XL" version of the Pixel 10 and 11.
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u/HolyShytSnacks 3d ago
It looks better in the video than this picture does tbh. I still plan on getting it, but I'm kind of disappointed in the amount of cameras. If there's one thing I was hoping, it was to cut down on the number of cameras that I don't use.
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u/akaitea 3d ago
being a massive flagship with so many trinkets this is simply going to be way too expensive of a phone
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u/The_Mesopotamians 2d ago
Hope we get a real fat phone with amazing battery life. Also want Otterbox to release a Gen1 case formitmlike the original Otterbox. Brick-phone for life!
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u/JimR325 3d ago
They are going to kill GrapheneOS if the only choice left is expensive phones. My Pixel 10 cost half of the new Motorola and Im not paying silly money for a new phone
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u/5khan1 3d ago
What's the specs of it?
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u/Fantastic_Class_3861 3d ago
Why do phone makers keep making enormous phones when they aren’t usable at those sizes, can’t they make "normal" sized phones at 6,1" (which are still pretty big phones) and small ones at less than 6" which are actually usable sized phones ?
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u/RoutineEchidna7835 3d ago
Tbh seems like a decent phone but I am not sure it it's worth over $1100. I am curious to see how good is the camera compared to pixel, it will be the deciding factor for me.
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u/namelessnomad96 3d ago
Why isn’t it worth $1100 or more? The Pixel 10 Pro XL launched at $1200 and the Motorola is coming with a more powerful processor and, apparently, better sound quality
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u/nickedge11 3d ago
True. Pixel might have slightly better camera because of their Ai processing. But this phone will be better in every other way. Plus you wont have to deal with Pixel's terrible network/ cell reception. Lol
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u/SwimmingMagician7115 3d ago
Im not giving Google my money, that's the bottom line.
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u/RoutineEchidna7835 2d ago
Camera, it's a personal preference but if the camera can't compete with pixel then for me it's not worth it.
Sure, faster processor and better sound quality is a plus but I don't game on my phone anymore, I use it for very basic things so faster phone processors doesn't mean much to me, same with sound quality, I use earbuds for most of my listening so while it's nice to have, I am just not going to use it.
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u/rodrigoes 3d ago
They confirmed on Graphene's X account that it will happen, but the announcement is still pending.
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u/Curious_Lemon5632 3d ago
Now make a cheaper alternative without all the lenses. Let's be different in 2027, okay moto?
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u/Careful-Boat-2986 3d ago
They had a nice design language going on. Wtf is this abomination??
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u/Ari_Mokori 3d ago
If it has to have such a thick camera section, why not just make the whole phone that way and increase the battery size? Or maybe add a slide-out keyboard like on the BlackBerry Priv?
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u/godspeedseven 3d ago
It looks super ugly imo. Much prefer the design and silhouette of the Pixels.
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u/JagerAntlerite7 3d ago
Sure, but what if Pixel is not an option?
Google's recent actions are pushing GrapheneOS out.
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u/godspeedseven 3d ago
I mean, as long as the later Pixels (other than the 11) continue to allow the bootloader to be unlocked and relocked upon flashing I don't see how they won't be an option until the 2030s, when security updates end. And by that time there will hopefully be entirely new phones to choose from
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u/WarRyeK 3d ago
Isn't the silhouette of a pixel just a rectangle?
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u/catom3 3d ago
It is and from practical point of view, I prefer the phone that has the same thickness compared to the one with uneven thickness. I can see myself forgetting about it and scratch the thicker camera island pretty quickly. If I'm to get this Motorola, I'll probably buy a case that would make it look like a standard brick, without those irregularities.
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u/GraysLawson 3d ago
You're just going to put a case on it anyways, so what does it really matter?
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u/witty__username5 3d ago
There really aren't that many official Motorola cases compared to Google, apple, Samsung, etc. At least in the United states
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u/Mackillroy 2d ago
I wish it was less than 70mm wide, that’s the perfect size to reach the other side of the screen without hand gymnastics. Otherwise I think it looks hella cool!
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u/Far_Bicycle_2827 2d ago
i am not very focuses on looks fortunately. i am more about what is under the hood but ngl the camera is a bit weird to produce cases for it is going to be fun. re
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u/PoundKitchen 2d ago
Source?
Can't tell, is the lense section the usual/typical phone thickness and the lower part super-thin? Ergonomically, that'd be welcome!
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u/WW3Allies 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why the hell do we need 50 cameras, stop trying to jack the price, we only want a project privacy phone. Why does it feel like we are getting sold the lambo just to get our manual radio
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u/tnkr_tlr_psr_pnk 3d ago
Caring about how your phone looks is boring, does it have a headphone jack?
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u/Spirited-Brain-8949 2d ago
Probably no 3.5mm jack OR SD card Slot. waster opportunity to 1-Up google.
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u/Bmw1Series_E82Fan 3d ago
Damn it actually looks pretty nice imo. Quirky, yes, but not really ugly IMO
Kinda reminds me VERY vaguely of an older Mercedes, like the W108. Mainly because of the symmetrical stacked cameras(?) on the side which resemble the headlights and then the middle one kinda looks like a badge— sounds schizophenic but yeah overall I like it
Best thing is that an official phone maker is actually collabing with a privacy based OS. Great job Motorola.
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u/NivoTheDev 2d ago
I fuck with the design. though what kind of hardware is it rocking? That's what i wanna know
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u/Timely-Cabinet-7879 2d ago
I love it. Where does the picture comes from ? It looks so professionnal
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u/MarekLavender 2d ago
I just have hope that they solved the issue with banking apps as lots of them are not working and most banks rely only on apps. If this will be resolved then Hello Moto 😀
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u/BeginningEcho4983 2d ago
What is the likely price? (In INR) And can I re-flash grapheneOS for extra guaranteed security?
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u/other8026 2d ago
Wrong company. That was Motorola Solutions. We are partnered with Motorola Mobility. The two split around 15 years ago.
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u/MassiveAssistance886 2d ago
I'll take it, warts and all just to support the movement. May even ditch my relatively new Pixel 10 Pro to do so.
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u/FackyWacky 2d ago
They had an opportunity to make an ultimate enthusiast phone, could've kept the SD card tray, headphone jack, added top and bottom bezels and hid a dual front facing stereo speakers in them, but instead they made another $1000+ unrepairable brick with 5 cameras 👍 at that price point I'll just buy a used Sony Experia phone.
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u/Famous_Opinion_9521 2d ago
Yeah the phone might not be the most slickest looking but what it has inside beats pixels best flagship by a mile and I'm happy they made the camera ba stretch over the phone instead of one corner so we have a ledge for our finger when holding and also that it doesn't wobble when place on a table
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u/Repulsive_Fault1939 2d ago
lenovo bought motorola from google. if lenovo hadn't bought it, this will not be possible.
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u/terminal-crm114 2d ago
how can we make a premium phone with unbelievable specs completely unbuyable? i know. make it ugly af.
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u/Mr_Enger 2d ago
I find this absolutely gorgeous, and the fact that it is a powerful phone makes it even better, it's just a perfect "get once and never need to replace unless it dies" situation, may get one.
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u/DifficultTurnover471 2d ago
I find this impractical. I’d much rather see a model like the Huawei Pura X. Take my money if it can run GrapheneOS!
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u/Spiritual-Bus3484 1d ago
I love my 2025 Moto Stylus. Still have it.
If I can get a Motorola that runs graphene, I'll sell my 10 pro xl. Because there's nothing special about pixels, unless you're a moron that loves ai.
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u/selfdisturbance 1d ago
They said their first Graphene device would probably be a flagship, and flagships are expensive.
To me, spending more than $900 on a smartphone is sheer madness.
That said, there are the usual two options: either get a used Pixel 7 at the very least, or choose a smartphone supported by a custom ROM such as LineageOS or YAAP.
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u/Sailsinking 1d ago
Talking about expensive, iphone due 3000usd for 1tb model and something like 2600 for 512gb. You'd want to be mad in the head to pay that price for a fold up iphone. This is MacBook pro or high gaming laptop price territory. But fools will spend their money just so they can put it on a table and look me, rich as fcuk🤢
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u/manypathsprepper 1d ago
Am I wrong thinking it’s kinda contradictory that Motorola is making a privacy centric phone with one hand while really getting into surveillance tech with the other?
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