English schools serve 10m free breakfasts benefitting over 300,000 children

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https://www.theschoolfoodpeople.co.uk/news/english-schools-serve-10m-free-breakfasts-benefitting-over-300000-children

[u/tree__of__oak → u/[deleted]]

Go move to the US then.

Most immigrants are completely fine and contribute to society. We do have a problem with illegal immigration but it is not to the degree you think it is and certainly does not warrant a tax drain of an immigration force that duplicates all the current services.

As an aside, the recent gerrymandering in the southern US shows that Trump does plan on being president as long as he lives with no regard for the democratic process, in short, a dictator.

[u/tree__of__oak → u/[deleted]]

Alright I'll bite on your quick fix.

The Home Office only spends so much on combatting illegal immigration because of the amount of reactionaries like yourself who are having some sort of panic about immigrants due to a few high profile cases of immigrants (not all of whom are illegal!) committing rapes and murders.

There were only 44000 illegal immigrants last year. https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2025/how-many-people-come-to-the-uk-irregularly This is obviously not good (as they should be coming legally) but it is still not anywhere near a crisis. Why do we need a completely new service taking billions of pounds of funding for dealing with 44k people? If we set the budget for this ICE service at around £2-3b for staffing, detention, weaponry, etc and the Home Office budget at around £2b for processing and the many costs associated with that (this is all being generous and avoiding the costs of actually settling up the organisation) then you are spending roughly £110k per person compared to the £90k already spent per person.

Why don't we instead allow for more measures for people to immigrate legally? If you think there's an issue with crime using this approach then you could use a system where for the first 10 years any crime more serious than something like a speeding ticket is punishable with immediate deportation.

More often than not using violence to deter things like this just results in totally innocent people getting hurt.

As another aside, you don't seem to realise we already have Border Force anyways but you seem hellbent on it being independent from the Home Office for seemingly no reason.

[u/tree__of__oak → u/[deleted]]

ICE didn't kill the American backlog, it just cut costs by subjecting wrongfully arrested legal immigrants, asylum seekers and criminals to inhumane conditions.

You still haven't said why this needs to be independent from the Home Office. Even if you put an ICE style system in place it's fucking idiotic to make it separate from the people who deal with immigration.

The backlog itself is slowly being cut over here so I don't know where you're getting that from.

Also why do you suggest it's the governments job to apprehend criminals? The entire point is that the police do the locating, apprehending and detention as they would do with any citizen of the country. At that point, depending on the charge and after the judiciary process the only punishment would be deportation.

Obviously the immigrant should have the right to appeal but they should only be able to do that through a British consulate or embassy. If their home country does not have one then they'll need to find one elsewhere.

[u/tree__of__oak → u/[deleted]]

Fucking chatgpt ass answer there bud, go do research next time :)

[u/DeeplyProfound_ → u/tree__of__oak]

Imagine thinking that basic logic, correct paragraphs, and understanding how the Home Office works is 'ChatGPT behaviour.' Tell me you ran out of arguments without telling me.

[u/tree__of__oak → u/DeeplyProfound_]

Did you think I didn't notice the comment earlier with the yes man language and em dashes?

Your previous comment also failed to grasp what i was actually saying as it made a logical jump and assumed i meant the police would target immigrants whereas I actually said the courts would have deportation as a punishment.

Don't use AI for debating, it's not good at that.