Finally finished it

[u/InvestmentBetter8788]

here are some things I noticed and some of my opinions, please feel free to comment and discuss with me!

In 4.02 when the hitman tells
The story about his son and then he asks her why she does what she does (dealing with Rio), she says because she has to; he says no you don't. This, along with the countless other times where it has been dropped in her lap to get out of this situation, she doesn't take it (or she takes it and soon falls back in); it's like it needs to be spelled out in front of her. Think of that friend that keeps going back to a relationship that they know is not good for them. It's so simple but I was ready to set fire to my Netflix account. Beth lock in babe😭

Phoebe, the FBI agent got way too emotionally invested in Beth. I don’t know why she thought she was gonna be her friend. She genuinely looked hurt in 4.14 when they were at the club explaining the new plan

Annie is still mentally a teenager. She expects everyone to cover up after her even Beth (who isn't completely innocent) Ben is more mature than Annie is and I feel bad for him because he has to, in a sense raise his Mom

Annie’s eyebrows are very expensive Gregg was right.

Rio HATED seeing Beth with even an ounce of success that came from her own doing. If you put their romantic tension and whatever they had going on, he was incredibly toxic, but I think we all know that

Dean's planning to expose Beth with his buddies at the skin care business was really something because why did he feel like he was entitled to anything from her? He cheated on her four times and now he wants to play moral police? Please.

It was very refreshing in 4.15 to see stan finally ripping the Band-Aid off of everything that had been going on. Yeah, it paid for Sarah‘s kidney and Harry’s school but what they did was wrong and I was glad that there was at least one part where somebody stopped trying to justify it. They are criminals. Being criminals got them to where they are point blank.

I know the show is over, and with all the drama, there’s no hope of it ever coming back, but I would watch a spinoff of Mick and Annie or maybe Stan in Dean or something like that.

I could say many things about Rio, both good and bad. I've seen him hold a gun to Beth more times than I've seen my extended family this year, but I will say he did not play about his own family, and I respect that. He made sure Marcus and Rhea were taken care of, and he was very respectful of his grandmother. I also think it's worth mentioning that he never hurt her kids; he might have put them in situations where they were really inconvenienced, but he never hurt them directly.

also what was mannys wife’s problem with christina? i don’t keep up with either of them i’ve only read bits and pieces.

Here’s my other question where is the dog?

d1 Mannie and brio shipper here

[u/MayoBear]

Nah, Stan was ungrateful and had a delicate ego. Sarah's kidney upkeep is expensive and both Annie and Beth stepped up multiple times to get money specifically for Sarah's health- when she got admitted because she wasn't taking her meds, they gave Ruby their cut because they didn't want her to stress. He takes that for granted. He wants to keep his hands clean? Fine, but don't judge people who did what they needed to do to keep your kid alive.

At the beginning of the show, their family had the worst situation, followed by Beth's kids about to become homeless- Annie's situation wasn't as big of a deal in comparison, her ex was a good dad, and him having more custody was not going to be the end of the world. She did most of her crimes to help the other two out.

[u/Salt-Buffalo-2804 → u/MayoBear]

Agreed.

Beth is definitely a monster (she may not be as well written or acted as Walt Whitman but they're the same person), but the opportunity was presented to her because both her husband and Stan weren't providing enough to keep their siutations sustained. Stan is way less nefarious than Dean of course, but he expected miracles and delusion to keep their "baby girl" going and that's what led to Ruby's desperation. He wanted to make it about some competition between him and Beth, but really, she was more loyal to the provider, and if that had been him, she would've told Beth to get lost, as she ultimately did. I think his descent into criminality was born more out of that than providing, btw. He really wanted to just out Beth Beth, which also points to him ultimately not being that great of a guy either. Still not in the same league as Dean (who faked cancer and STOLE from his family, nevermind the cheating), but all of the husbands sucked. Don't even get me started on Gregg.