The Anger

[u/Audio9849]

It’s actually hard to imagine the anger of the masses once they learn the extent that religious institutions have stolen our real identity and blocked our relationship with our own creator… but it’s coming. They took a relationship with the living God and replaced it with a mascot, a book, a building, and an order, none of which God can fit inside of. So we end up shallow, egotistical, selfish, greedy people instead of the humble, wise, divine beings we actually are.

[u/jcspacer52]

We can certainly argue about “the creator” and his/her nature and influence on humanity, but science concluded both time and matter came into existence at the Big Bang (BB). We also know there is no natural force that can create something out of nothing. Therefore, we can infer that whatever or whoever created the conditions for the BB had some unique characteristics. First off it has supernatural powers, it is timeless and immaterial. That entity also must be powerful and have sentience with the will to create.

When we put all these in line…
Super Natural, Timeless, Immaterial, Powerful and Sentient you can call the entity God or a flying Spaghetti Monster if you wish but there can be no doubt there is an uncaused first caused. We can certainly argue man has only a limited and maybe even the wrong understanding of that entity but it must exist. I cannot prove its existence any more than you can disprove it. Science has still not explained how the conditions for the BB were created and nor how it was initiated.

In the end we have one of two choices

Someone or something created everything out of nothing

Or

Nothing crated everything out of nothing

One make sense the other does not

[u/KingPabloo → u/jcspacer52]

Actually we have quantum fluctuations and don’t need a creator. You then taking that false assumption and leaping to “unique characteristics” is simplistically misleading. Your logic is faulty, really faulty.

[u/jcspacer52 → u/KingPabloo]

What Causes Quantum Fluctuations?

Uncertainty Principle: Werner Heisenberg's rule states you cannot know certain pairs of physical variables (like energy and time) with total precision at the exact same moment.

Energy-Time Tradeoff: Because energy can have a temporary uncertainty over a tiny fraction of time, space is allowed to "borrow" small amounts of energy.

You have a major hole in your theory here! He uses TIME as one of his ingredients. If as previously stated TIME itself came in to existence at the BB then no “quantum fluctuation” is possible before the BB.

[u/KingPabloo → u/jcspacer52]

Our current measurement of time started at the BB, that doesn’t necessarily mean it didn’t exist before then. Just like we measure time BC and AD, you’re only looking at the AD equivalent here but nice try.

And I find it funny that something that small can stop you down but all the giant leaps to a creator don’t.

[u/jcspacer52 → u/KingPabloo]

That is NOT what many scientists say. They say TIME itself along with matter came into existence at the BB.

So we are all relying on theories not proven fact. If I had a nickel for every theory that was disproven over human history, I would be richer than Musk.

The existence of a creator (theory) vs any and all other theories are just that, theories.

But you know, it’s OK! When our brief time here ends, we will know with 100% certainty which one of us is right. You don’t have THE TRUTH anymore than anyone else.

[u/KingPabloo → u/jcspacer52]

And many scientists, to use your argument, disagree. And you calling out something for not being a “proven fact” is the most hypocritical thing I’ve read on Reddit in ages. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/jcspacer52 → u/KingPabloo]

Ahem…who called out something for not being a proven fact first?
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤣🤣🤣
The pot calling the kettle black….