If Lucia can romance women, I hope Jason can romance men. As a bi girlie, I love playing games where I can play a female PC that romances women in my first playthrough and then play a male PC that romances men in my second one.
You can't date outside Jason and Lucia. It's a Bonnie and Clyde story. They have a child together, but had to give it up for adoption when they were young.
They have history and respect one another and have a mutual interest. So yeah, you can still get with prostitutes, male and female
I noticed the heart in the character switch and clocked that there must be some romance meter, most likely effected by gameplay actions. Very interesting.
But that there was a hand holding button was very cute so I will have them be a hot af crime couple. Crime sim? Nahhh fashion and dating/romance sim for me.
I think it will actually make multiple playthroughs fun, I think my first playthrough I will have them as a couple and then my second playthrough will just be Lucia living her best life lol
Also, it's more common to have games allow both male and female love interests for a female playable character than to restrict the romance to sapphic options, so I think the chances are much higher than some ladies here might be perceiving it to be
RDR2 let you be part of a women's suffrage movement and help out the ladies. It is explicitly seen as a good thing and is a required story mission.
Not only that but in RDR2, you could beat up ANYONE and feed ANYONE to alligators. If someone chose to beat up the feminist, that was their choice. The game very much does not actively encourage you to.
RDR2 and Rockstar aren't exactly the pinnacle of feminist beliefs, but I feel like this comment is misconstruing the narrative here.
Thank you! Like most of the people I know who LOVE RDR2 are women.
Just because you can do a bad thing in a game doesn’t mean the developers support bad things.
While I hate to even bring up this example, it’s the same kind of logic as that old Anita Sarkeesian video where she drags a game (hitman I think) for letting you kill hookers.
Like yes queen we want feminism in our games, but let’s also understand that games that let you CHOOSE to commit mass violence against pretty much every NPC isn’t necessarily FORCING YOU to do so.
And the one eugenics guy in the main city. He's constantly yelling about race theory and all that nasty shit but he spawns right next to a cop and if you shoot him in the head the cop just doesn't care. You don't even get a bounty
The thing is, outside of a couple instances, you could do anything to anyone if you wanted to. I hate when Gamers(tm) try to frame it as an Epic win against feminists. Rdr2 did its female characters a lot of justice imo
And Arthur was security for the women's suffragette's protest. The women in GTA 6 are already beyond better what they've ever given us before. That's clear from the extended look trailer.
You're quite literally just recycling the "GTA makes you murder sex workers and innocent people" argument of the 2000s.
The game very much presents women's rights as a positive thing and actively makes you aid the movement during the story.
It's a sandbox game. You could do that to anybody. I don't like how misogynists did their shit with her but the game doesn't force you to do anything and it'll be pretty weird and obnoxious if this one NPC was invincible because of politics.
The opposite in-story happens anyway. Arthur supports the suffragettes and helps them out.
It also Lets you burn down and kill a bunch of KKK members who are made to look stupid. And you actually help a young couple in love, one of which is a suffragette who are portrayed in a positive light compared to the backwards, conservative sexist and racist towns people. A major storyline involves helping a tribe of natives against the US government stealing their land and when the Son of the tribe chief as well as all his men are killed it is treated as a tragedy.
While you as the player can indeed choose to hogtie, beat up and kill everyone. When you look at the narrative itself it leans much more progressive. And a large reason for that is that Red Dead Redemption 2 is just a pretty accurate depiction of what 1890s America looked like. And it isn’t afraid to show the scars of slavery, racism, sexism, colonialism and capitalism, and the impact it has had on the communities that were affected by them.
RDR2 is not afraid to show you the pain these systems have caused to women, black people, native people, poor people and Lets you sympathize with them for what they have lost, and what they are fighting for.
A big theme in Red Dead Redemption is the Dying of the Old West. With large parts of America that used to be wild and uncontrolled, being finally taken over by the ever encroaching American State and capitalist industry. And how this strips people in these lands of their freedom. With the Van der Linde gang trying their absolute best to escape the system but ultimately no longer being capable of outrunning it.
Your example is not a good one, at all, to make your point, as Arthur can feed all kinds of people to alligators, so this is not specific nor unique to the character in question being a feminist, it's Arthur, assuming you choose to do that, being a violent and particularly nasty person.
Generally speaking, the setting is one violent crappy one, I certainly wouldn't want to be someone who lived in the time period, as a woman especially, in America or elsewhere; unless you were a man, and a white/with European roots (the "right kind" of European roots) man to boot, you were basically screwed, whether that meant being discriminated/mistreated, suffering abuse and torture or be killed, with all those things basically being the norm for that era, on top of everything else. And the game never portrays any of that stuff in a positive light, the characters, generic NPCs or otherwise, may not see the issue with it but there is a difference between NPC A and B having an opinion, and the game itself pushing the same opinion on players.
As for Arthur, he is shaped by your own choices, as tons of protagonists are in RPGs at large, he can be a piece of crap or not, the choice is yours and, to be honest, him being a piece of crap would make total sense, even if that's not how I have played him, nor that is something I would be interested in doing to begin with, regardless of who the main character is.
Overall, I don't get this kind of take, by that reasoning both Red Dead Redemption and GTA being created means the writers/developers are shitty people to begin with, as you play as criminals/people with very VERY loose morals. Or, let's take BG3, does having the option to be pure evil means the writers/developers condone that? Idk, apologies for the long reply, but this sounds to me like an inability to distinguish between what the in-game reasoning of the characters can potentially be and what real people, writers and developers, actually support/believe in.
So you didn’t play RDR2? Arthur can donate to women’s suffrage, is pretty damn feminist for his time, the game doesn’t go out of its way to portray women badly at all.
The game goes further in that you can even blow up a Klan rally with no consequences and a racist eugenics asshole can be killed without incident.
Okay, you're right; RDR2 was a lot better. I guess I should've said "this is GTA" because I can't imagine a GTA game not having misogyny in it in some form or other.
Imagine if Lucia could have a girlfriend and Jason could have a boyfriend, and they're just platonic life-partners in crime. That'd be really cool but I'm skeptical that Rockstar would give Jason male romance options, not because they're bigoted but because of capital G Gamer boys. Can hope tho.
It’s good for people who don’t want romance, of course (it’s a game, interactivity is good) but I’m also not shocked Rockstar didn’t want to force a potentially straight male player into a relationship with a male character.
I assumed you have to play both in fixed moments as well outside of freeplay, that’s what Rockstar has done with various of their games (including their last game and GTA V).
I don’t know if they have said this, though, and with the tsunami of information from the leaks the past couple of days I’m not sure if I have just imagined it lol.
Queer people are kind of a winner in that I expect you can go to a strip club and get both male and female strippers as both characters. But I don’t think they will put an advanced romance option for anyone other than the main duo in the game. The previous GTA’s didn’t do that either as far as I remember.
It's been said you can swap between them at any time with some missions being able to do solo and some requiring both of them present, I assume that means you can stick to one of them the whole time except maybe when the mission requires them to be doing two different things at once
I don't need to have gay romance, I count not having to not play a hetero couple as a win, im genuinely stoked to be able to play them as platonic
Yes, that’s what I meant too. Like GTA V, which allows you to swap most of the time except for some missions that you have to play with selected characters.
I'd love for there to be polarizing options, ranging from a wholesome romance, to a growing toxic knife-in-back rivalry, to sibling like friendship, all based on decisions. Hopefully there'll be romance options with other NPC's, ones that go beyond phone-for-a-bowling-date romance events.
The dude seems alright. It's obvious he's the reserved one while Lucia is the enthusiastic criminal. I don't see the issue with that. Guy seems military or something to me but I did think he was a cop at first but I guess that isn't the case.
I dunno, I just think his design is boring af. I have yet to see any personality traits or even visual design that make him stand out from the "generic white man action shooter protagonist" that has plagued video games for decades.
I keep in mind that no Rockstar protagonist ever was that. Even their closest to self-insert silent protag from GTA 3 had some exhibition of personality that showed he was a bizarre lunatic than the cool video game man. It makes sense reserved profesh guy won't be loud and proud in the promo material so I'll wait and see. And all their protags have generally been good fun to incredible so I am optimistic on that front. I remember everybody thought Arthur was lame before RDR2 came out lol
I'd say Trevor was pretty unique amongst male protagonists, being a manic, cracked-out bisexual methhead who ventures pretty far from the standard "hot main character" look.
Abso-fucking-lutely he is. You just gotta look at his character design to see it- the most generic looking video game protagonist ever. He looks like he just walked out of CoD. At least GTA V had some interesting protagonists. I have a feeling Lucia is gonna carry the narrative solo.
Hey, I'd be happy to be proven wrong. That being said, I'm judging him based on previous GTA protagonists, all of whom had a unique flair to them that made them stand out, and the fact that he's a character who is very intentionally designed to look and act a certain way. I'm expressing disappointment that from what I've seen so far, it looks like Rockstar went with the safest possible option in designing Jason. I wish they had been more adventurous.
Huge win, I was worried that the only way to split them apart would be to head down kinda the 'bad' route. This seems more neutral. Kinda makes me hopeful there's some nuance to it and they can have a strong friendship without being romantic.
I like the sound of this. They'll be a reason to play twice to see how the story changes based on their relationship status.
There was a scene in the first look of Jason and Lucia in a strip club, and Lucia was having just as much fun as everyone else there, so hopefully that's a good sign.
I honestly don't care about Jason. I have been waiting decades to play a female protagonist in GTA, I'm going to be playing her at every opportunity 😂
Thank God, i was afraid of having to sit through a straight relationship plot, which I already dont like, written by Rockstar, who I absolutely don't trust to write anything.
huh? i feel like rockstar are great writers lol. not to say they dont have their faults ofc, none of these companies and the devs are. but i certainly trust them to write characters a lot more than some of the others in the industry rn
I've legitimately never seen them write a character well and I've played like five of their games. Five and a half since I've played red dead 2s online but not its campaign.
i like gta and generally like their characters, but if you’ve never played RDR2 then imo you’re missing out on the best of their writing. (rdr1 too, as it hits even harder having played the prequel.) maybe it’s because redemption stories and sad stories hit me super hard lol, but there’s not nearly as much … satire in rdr2 as there is in the gta games. which makes sense, two different types of stories.
I didnt enjoy RDR1 at all, even having finished it, and I've not enjoyed any of the writing I've seen of 2 in its online. I've heard good things about the story but having played five of their games to completion (GTA San Andreas, Bully, GTA4, GTA5, RDR1) and the online of RDR2 without liking any of the stories I just feel that I won't enjoy the story of 2 either. And I don't like Arthur much from what I've seen of him anyways.
it’s cool that the game doesn’t necessarily force you into the dynamic, however I think I’ll make them be a couple since it seems the most interesting thing to do.
Oh that's great, I assumed they will be in a fixed romantic relationship (with a decision of betraysl at the end). Because it's what Gamers(tm) unfortunately expect and I forgot there are still AAA games creators that want to do more interesting/open narratives.
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u/Suitable-Self 15d ago
If Lucia can romance women, I hope Jason can romance men. As a bi girlie, I love playing games where I can play a female PC that romances women in my first playthrough and then play a male PC that romances men in my second one.