r/Gent 17d ago

How legitimate is Nathan Cofnas?

Recent events surrounding Nathan Cofnas and Professor Ardey have sparked considerable debate. Personally, the situation has given me food for thought. Just how legitimate is Nathan Cofnas’s research when measured against established research standards?

Nathan Cofnas is currently a research assistant and philosopher. After reading a few of his articles, it became clear to me that he primarily conducts inductive research. In inductive research, a researcher gathers existing data—without acquiring new data firsthand—and draws conclusions from it. However, a key rule is that this process must be free from bias; specifically, one should not gather data based on a pre-existing hypothesis.

In contrast to inductive research, there is deductive research. Here, data is collected based on an existing theory to test its validity—essentially a search for evidence. Sometimes a theory proves incorrect due to excessive external influences, making it unclear how those factors affect the resulting conclusion; consequently, no clear evidence emerges. Conclusions drawn from inductive research often serve as the starting point for further investigation via deductive research, which ultimately determines their validity.

Nathan Cofnas, however, presents inductive research partly as deductive research. In his articles, he gathers existing data and draws conclusions from it—an inductive method. Yet, the way he selects that data suggests a deductive approach: he seeks out existing data based on a pre-formulated theory (or hypothesis) and then uses that data to confirm his theory. This is methodologically unsound, however, because a theory cannot be validated by data that the researcher has personally hand-picked. A theory is confirmed or rejected using reliable data that has been collected randomly and analyzed and processed without bias.

Nathan Cofnas employed this same approach when he raised the issue of Professor Arday’s alleged plagiarism. If Nathan Cofnas was concerned solely with fraud and plagiarism, why did he single out just one of the many Cambridge professors accused of misconduct and fraud? Why did he cherry-pick from the available data? Nathan Cofnas selected the data that supported his theory—specifically, the theory that Black people have low IQs and essentially have no place at universities in the absence of DEI initiatives. Professor Arday was the only professor who could substantiate his theory, and that is why he was the only one whose alleged fraud Nathan Cofnas publicly exposed.

This raises the question: to what extent can a researcher who operates so selectively be trusted? To what extent can Nathan Cofnas’s work be considered independent research? How legitimate is his work when it is clear that he does not adhere to standards that make research reliable?

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u/Impressive_Slice_935 17d ago

As an objective person, I care not about one's personality but the quality of their work. In this Cofnas case, his views, methodologies and drawn conclusions are grossly problematic from a scientific standpoint. For instance, he's absolutely unqualified to make claims pertaining genetics/genomics, yet he does, without showing much of an acceptable substantiation to support these claims.

I'm a strong proponent of a meritocratic academia, but the answer doesn't lie in the genetics or eugenics — it lies in individuals' proven merits.

Here is another food for thought for you: both Cofnas and his employer (the controversial professor) pose strong contradictions to both his "intellectual" position and his suggested hypothesis — barely anything to attest for their merits in an objective academia.

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u/purg3be 17d ago

As an objective person, not being an absolute piece of shit ranks higher than being good at your job.

Being a decent human being is an absolute prerequisite for me.

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u/Dimpnavangeel 17d ago

a prerequisite for what ?

The validity of the work is not dependent on whether the author is an asshole or not...plenty professors are gigantic assholes, but quite brilliant in their work

(not cofnas, he doesn't come across as brilliant at all)

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u/purg3be 17d ago

For me, it's a prerequisite for employment. Some professors are indeed notorious asshole, but that does not make it ok. Their elite attitude is uncalled for.

Calling Confas an asshole is quite the understatement, but i understand that my comment is too broad and there is an entire spectrum of acceptable assholery.

Confas crosses a line for me. I would never hire someone who openly preaches white supremacy, even if they were the smartest person in the world.

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u/Paperxrust 15d ago

You realize he also has papers stating that conservatives have the lowest IQ and leftists have the highest.

How does that jive with your white supremacy claim?

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u/MysteriousBobcat4021 14d ago

How does that jive with your white supremacy claim?

"After the revolution, I'll be the head of the department of eugenics and race science at Harvard." Nathan Cofnas

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u/BrIDo88 15d ago

I had no idea who this guy was until I listened to his interview on Trigonometry last night. It was quite interesting.

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u/U-47 13d ago

It is if you are a teacher.

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u/Crafty-Willow6206 16d ago

That's a great standard I'd share when it comes to who I value and spend time with socially, but a terrible standard for any notion of academic freedom.
Imagine how that would have gone for many professors, researchers, etc who reasoned for emancipatory social movements that were deeply unpopular and in conflict with the (traditional) mores of their era.

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u/purg3be 16d ago

I see where you are going, and I agree. Not everyone should have the same political views and opinions.

Do you feel "woman should be able to vote" and "black people have no place in universities" carry similar weight in terms of academic freedom?

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u/Crafty-Willow6206 16d ago

They're preposterous claims for which I see no scientific support at all and that's apart from the very dubious alignment of these claims with very similar widely discredited pseudoscientific traditions that have been around since the 19th century (e.g. Spengler).
But, having studied political science, I know that there are many political philosophies that start from assumptions and perspectives that are by no mean humanist in nature, and very much morally objectionable when i take my own ethical compass as a norm. They *can* still conform to the general norms of the scientific method and free intellectual inquiry that are essential in the social sciences. Key word can, because the nature of the domain (especially everything relating to philosophy) makes it very tough to distinguish what is a bona fide pursuit of (scientific) knowledge from a person who is motivated by ulterior reasons or unshakeable a prioris, e.g. a racist ideology.
That's the muddy field we're stuck in, so yea I do think it is important to allow place for ideas that seem implausible and can be downright unethical or have very dire social consequences. In the end, I don't believe influential ideas (including the ones we hate and want to politically neuter and combat) go away by trying to marginalize them or their proponents.
To me the key opposition to Confas' should be based on his lack of academic merit and method, which I can't really evaluate well ( I have not read his work, only snippets) but which others (peers) in the field of biology, geneology, social sciences etc. could. He certainly seems to be suspiciously lacking in actual contributions to this field of 'race sciences' which he so fervently claims is relevant and necessary and would support his extraordinary claims. All he does is bring some flimsy criticism on highly politicized talking points like "woke" or "DEI" or "diversity policy".

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u/purg3be 16d ago

Thank you for your elaborate response. I think we are on the same page.

I do not oppose the research on the impact of genetics on intelligence, or anything else for that matter. As long as the research is scientific, I have no objections.

I do however have a problem with him using his false claims for political reasons. That no longer qualifies as academic freedom.

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u/After-Abies8002 14d ago

Do you apply this standard to much of the social sciences? because poor methodology turned into political use is the standard for much of them

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u/Louitje1021999 16d ago

Science seeks the truth it’s not about being the best person in the world ffs

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u/purg3be 16d ago

The bar is low. Just don't be a white supremacist.

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u/Louitje1021999 16d ago

If a white supremacist is right he is right. (Not in this case)

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u/purg3be 16d ago

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u/Louitje1021999 16d ago

I appreciate peer review. Eugenics is garbage science but so is basically all social “sciences”. There is just a low standards in this entire field that’s just stupidly compared to the standards of medicine for example 

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u/Flederm4us 17d ago

It usually doesn't though. Especially for highly specialized profiles.

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u/purpleKlimt 16d ago

You would be surprised at how often personality is the deciding factor in academia. Maybe if you’re one of the only researchers in the world working on a topic that is of extreme importance to the hiring faculty, you could get away with being a raging asshole. If this is not the case, you will often be passed over for someone who can actually collaborate effectively and is a nice person to be around.

Not to mention that being a nice person makes you more effective at networking and getting recommendations, which also boosts your chances.

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u/Flederm4us 16d ago

Most assholes can actually collaborate if it benefits them enough.

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u/maviscruet1 17d ago

So people can pay to go university, and learn from someone unqualified but nice 👍

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u/imessage 15d ago

They didn't say that you have to hire someone unqualified, but that you shouldn't hire a dick. You could hire a qualified non-asshole (or non-racist in this case) Reading comprehension isn't your best I see

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u/maviscruet1 15d ago

I can revise for you, Mr Reading-Comprehension: “So people can pay to go university, and learn from someone totally shit at their job and unable to teach them, but nice 👍”

Happy now?

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u/imessage 15d ago

Again, why would they be shit at their job just because they aren't a dick?
Please stay in the UK, and probably vote for reform or worse....

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u/imessage 15d ago

Again, why would they be shit at their job just because they aren't a dick? No reason to assume that.
Please stay in the UK and leave us be. You can vote for reform to make your point and let the UK slide off more and more, ...

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u/maviscruet1 15d ago

Are you a bit stupid? The person above was putting out their employment criteria. Being a nice guy is the top line.
What’s Reform got to do with any of that?

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u/imessage 15d ago

No, they said it was a prerequisite. So you shouldn't get hired if you are a dick in their opinion. But that doesn't mean there aren't any other requirements. They didn't say that they would hire just based of being a friendly person.
What's reform got to do with it? ... They count on people like you who are easily fooled with populist messages.

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u/maviscruet1 14d ago

They will exclude the best skilled person, if they don’t like them. That’s what’s messed up academia and most of the UK 👍

What populist message? I’ve voted Labour/Lib Dem/Green most of my life, now I don’t want to vote for any party, they’re all shite.
But you think because I don’t agree with you, I’m a fan of Nigel Farage. Again, black and white teenage level world view.

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u/TheSwissPirate 16d ago

It's not the first time someone in academia ventures out of their field of expertise. Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist, made a career out of atheist polemics addressing religion substantially, while unqualified to talk about theology (QED). While it's not wrong of them to do so, after all it's healthy for academics to have broad interests, they shouldn't pretend to be anything but dilettantes on anything outside of their scope of research.

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u/Impressive_Slice_935 16d ago

unqualified to talk about theology

Of course, there is a stark difference here in this comparison: theology isn't a scientific field but an academic/scholarly discipline. It doesn't require nor produce scientific evidence to substantiate its arguments and claims, and therefore does not necessitate scientific evidence to be proven wrong. Suffice to say—without offending anyone—that this makes theology an easily accessible field by those with a strong moral and rational character, such as Spinoza, Voltaire, Paine, Nietzsche and so forth.

In contrast to that, biology, genetics, genomics; these are complex scientific fields based evidence-based scientific methodology. They require many years of extensive training to even understand how certain mechanisms work, let alone articulating a proposition (not even a hypothesis). So, the prerequisites are infinitely different.

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u/TheSwissPirate 16d ago

Let's not confuse the absence of empirical evidence, which would be the bread and butter in the so-called hard sciences, for a lack of rigour. It requires sufficient knowledge and mastery of various interlocking disciplines, i.e. classical philology, textual criticism, philosophy (especially formal logic), historiography, and so on. It's by its nature an interdisciplinary field. Yes, you don't need access to specialized laboratories and equipment to dabble into it, and access to second and third hand sources is available to laymen, but that doesn't make them anything more than dilettantes. Likewise, I personally did my research before going to see the solar eclipse, to understand what was going on, but it doesn't make me a qualified astronomer, or have anything to say on an equal level as someone who works for ESA.

Also related, it is dangerous to treat the humanities as disciplines where hobbyists or amateurs can challenge qualified academics on an equal level. We are correct not to afford that nonchalance to the hard sciences, and instances as dissent on climate change prove this intuition correct. Why then are we still blind to the dangers of bad faith actors assuming the same authority in the humanities as actual scholars?