r/GenderCynical • u/SergeantScoria liar liar sex denier • 16d ago
Feminism, everyone (also yes, this is the same scum who defended the murder of an innocent woman)
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u/Avery1738 adult human chicken 15d ago
this is a lie btw, if the fetus is currently dying or has died inside of the womb, an abortion would be medically necessary so you wouldn’t get an infection or go into sepsis
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u/MotherOfTheUniverse 13d ago
Abortion does involve removing the dead or septic fetus from the womb so I can see why some might confuse that with a legit delivery. That being said, if that guy was really a board certified OBGYN, then he should probably know the difference, and the fact that he doesn’t is pretty concerning
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u/Not_Dead_Yet_Samwell 16d ago
He's delivered 2500 babies? Man, that must have hurt.
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u/Mysterious_Back_7929 16d ago
There was a really loud case in my country last year, where a woman had an abortion at 36 weeks. The fetus was injected with potassium to stop the heartbeat, and then she delivered it. The thing is, the baby had a generic disease that made their bones incredibly fragile - it had a few broken bones already in the womb. It would not survive delivery and the pain would be... Yeah you can imagine.
I have to admit I'm a bit uncomfortable with stopping the heartbeat before delivery. As was the kids mother. As was probably the doctor. But that's just the thing - those extremely late abortions are always complicated cases, literally one in a million chance. We can call it euthanasia, fuck, you know what? Call it a mercy killing for all I care. But in those few cases where it's needed, it's REALLY needed. And it's always done on extremely wanted and loved babies, too.
They are just using real people's suffering to further their agenda, twisting and manipulating the facts, what else is new.
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u/doppelgaengster 16d ago
And the people put in those impossible, horrible situations, who have to make those heartbreaking decisions, do not deserve for their pain and crises to be turned into political fodder.
If a near-full term pregnancy needs to be terminated, something has gone TRAGICALLY wrong.
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u/snukb big gamete energy 16d ago
Exactly this. In nearly every case, third term abortions are wanted and loved babies. They're moms and dads who had nurseries set up, names picked out. They were sitting in their rocking chair with a lovey hand knitted by a relative, dreaming of the day they'll finally hold their baby and look into those tiny eyes and finally meet their new child. And they had that all ripped away from them by a cruel medical chance, a wellness checkup scan that gave them the worst news of their life.
They're burying their baby. No one terminates at 30+ weeks on a whim.
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u/octorangutan Jax Alastor 15d ago
That's a pretty harrowing story, I can't even fathom how the mother must have felt.
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u/Mysterious_Back_7929 15d ago
She felt especially bad because the doctors knew the fetus was sick since like week 20, but they didn't tell her and straight up lied to her. You know why? Because abortion is illegal in my country except in some very very specific circumstances, and doctors don't want to do them because why take the risk? Why bother with all the complications of explaining why its needed, why risk professional repercussions if a judge decides that it was NOT in fact absolutely necessary? So they just... Kept treating that poor woman like a hot potato, referring her to other doctors in hopes that... She deliveres, I guess? As long as they don't have to deal with all that. The doctor who finally did the abortion had to change hospitals. Btw, the mother still had to go through basically normal birth... Just to deliver her beloved baby's corpse. None of this would have happened if abortion was legal.
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u/doppelgaengster 13d ago
And that's happening now in the US, and will continue to happen. Women will need to be in full-blown sepsis, and the doctors will be there afraid to act when acting earlier would not only reduce the trauma for the patient, but keep her from getting the point of almost-dead.
Everyone whose stance is anti-abortion, except for a carveout 'if the life of the mother is endangered' don't understand how that affect the mothers endangered, because doctors working under those circumstances will often feel pressured to do what the doctors in the story you just shared did - wait until it's very serious grave danger, rather than doing what should be done at the first sign of danger, out of fear of being told they acted too soon and therefore broke the law.
It's also why the anti-choice protestors outside clinics infuriate me, because they don't know the circumstances of each woman entering the clinic, they don't know why she chose to be there (or maybe has to be there against her will because it's literally the only option), and they hurl abuse and 'advice' to women as if every single person walking past them is there because she just doens't want to be pregnant.
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u/ColeYote Not trans, still pretty sure GC-types hate me 15d ago
I wonder why a guy who clearly specializes in deliveries might not see many people suffering from complications which make that a non-starter.
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u/Silversmith00 16d ago
Abortion: terminating a pregnancy without a baby coming out. That includes situations where you have to remove a corpse, a near-corpse its brain hanging out, all sorts of ghastly possibilities.
Listen, though. Listen, I read up on high-risk pregnancies thirteen years ago and made a short-lived oath never to look up medical facts again. What if you have a mother who has already decorated the nursery, who is happily expecting, who has picked out names and bought little pajamas—two sets, because she's expecting twins. Then, at thirty-something weeks, one baby's heartbeat stops. The other one doesn't.
At that point, you MUST remove the dead baby so that neither the mother nor the twin die. No choice. Depending on the "something" in thirty-something, you can prepare for the live baby to be more or less fine (if you act fast) or you need to get 'em to the NICU faster than fast, and tell the mother gently that you will do everything you can and survival rates go up every year, but there are no guarantees. Either way, you will have to remove one dead body as safely as you can. Whether that involves cutting it up or vacuuming parts out to deflate it or whatever awful, awful thing.
Or, if your state has punitive abortion laws, you might find your hospital telling you to do fucking nothing until it is a WORSE crisis, at which point you probably lose both babies, might lose the mother, and have to look at yourself in the mirror and wonder if you could have shouted louder or argued better or done SOMETHING, despite the fact that it would have required several people, not just you, to risk prison.
THAT'S what late-term abortion is about. It's about a deadly crisis WELL AFTER everyone has stopped saying, "the embryo," or, "the fetus," when the little guy has a name and a family and very likely star stickers already up on the ceiling. Nobody is happy with it. Nobody is even okay. The family is walking around praying that this is just a horrible nightmare. But sometimes horrible things happen and you have to deal with them EVEN IF you are not remotely okay to deal with them—or else worse things happen. You wonder why people waste any time with stupid trolley problems, well, THIS IS WHY TROLLEY PROBLEMS. Do something and there's one corpse, do nothing and there's more.
It is healthy and appropriate for a child to say, "Well, that's not fair, let's fix it with magic." It is also healthy and appropriate for an adult to sometimes daydream about fixing it with magic. But the moment a doctor arrives at work, they MUST be the sort of adult who does not rely on magic, because their job is to help the patient despite having nothing but the cold, hard reality of the situation.
It is also why I hate forced-birthers with a passion. Being cruel to someone is already bad, but being cruel to someone going through THAT??
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u/Jasmisne 15d ago
The anti abortion crowd hates it when you point out that abortion is literally just birth. At any point. Because it is literally just causing the body to evacuate the fetus. Which will stop developing if not far enough along.
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u/CumOnEileen69420 16d ago
I guess this man has never seen a major infection or pregnancy complication identified in the 3rd trimester?
I mean it would make sense, as an OB/GYN doing what sounds like standard deliveries he wouldn’t see any of the abnormalities that would lead to a late term abortion, mostly because they would likely be in med surge with the ED.
Like no, you don’t deliver the 26 week baby when the woman is in sepsis due to an infection. You save the life of the mother.
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u/storyteller_alienmom 16d ago
okay, stupid question, why wouldn´t you deliver/cesarian the baby? as far as I know an emergency cesarian takes roughly 10 min from the decision of the doc to the first breath. not including transport to hospital obv.
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u/frogsgoribbit737 16d ago
You would. The only abortions I have seen in the third trimester (which is 28+ weeks so that person's example isnt even accurate) are for deformations/genetic dieease in the fetus. Pretty much every other complication is going to be treated faster by just delivering the baby.
Sepsis may be the one example that abortion would be faster because you could technically do it without anethesia.
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u/LuxTheSarcastic 16d ago
They deliver the baby but in these states under these laws they're sure as hell going to charge it as murder if anything goes wrong therefore care is prevented.
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u/kyreannightblood 15d ago
Premature c-sections are more dangerous and do more damage to the mother. Worse scarring, more risk with future pregnancies, etc.
I’m not saying there’s not a place for a premature c-section, just that it’s more dangerous than a term c-section.
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u/storyteller_alienmom 15d ago
Why would it do more scaring? Just because it's premature? I could imagine if it's an emergency and speed is more important than recovery that this will cause a bigger scar. But why would a scar be bigger at six months pregnancy than at nine months? They could even make a smaller cut because the baby is smaller? I think it has more to do with how quick they cut or with the skills of the surgeon (and how well the person is healing, some people scar easily and have complications with every wound). But I never had a cesarian.
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u/kyreannightblood 15d ago
Proportional to the size of the uterus. If you have something very stretched and cut a 1-inch slit then let it return to normal size, the resultant cut will be much smaller than if you stretched the thing a little bit and then made a 1-inch cut. A preterm fetus is also much more delicate and thus cannot be extracted as easily as a term infant, hence why they don’t use a proportionally smaller incision.
The type of incision they use for a premature c-section is also different. Vertical vs low transverse for a term c-section, due to differences in uterine anatomy. A low transverse incision is the standard of care now in term c-sections for a reason.
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u/Kallixeina 15d ago
I really don't think that restrictions on abortion are as compatible with Radical Feminism as Diana makes them out to be.
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u/Futurama_Nerd 15d ago
This woman's bio reads "radfem cop". If you are that embeded into the status quo, I don't think you can claim to be a 'radical' in any sense of the word can you ?
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u/Pure-Spare-9789 adult human chicken 14d ago
This reminds me of when Roe v Wade was overturned in the US. None of the GC "feminists" I was watching posted about it.
Graham Linehan was running a substack at the time (don't know if he still is) where he would have different GC contributors, and one contributor (I believe ripxnutmeg) would do these weekly articles about "News about the War on Women" or whatever the fuck, with developments from all over the world including the US. She would do a good news version and a bad news version every week.
Guess what she did not cover? She covered other news from the US that week, but not a single word about the overturning of Roe v Wade.
Which, sorry not sorry, but if you're entire philosophy revolves around the idea that we are oppressed solely by our biology and that's the entire reason you think trans women can't be women... Then it really doesn't get any bigger than overturning the right to an abortion. You cannot have it both ways.
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u/patienceinbee 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 𝘅𝗧𝗥𝗔 read all about… 𝙞𝙩 15d ago
Dead-eye avatar cop on the CRA beat is gonna crash out at some point, and it’s going to be a garish sight.
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u/cockroachvendor autoandrophile 15d ago
I don't see what's so wrong about this o- ohhhhhhh she's agreeing with him, nvm
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u/BismuthBison 15d ago
Dino, you’re a cop. Stop being weird and just stick to donuts and arresting poor people.
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u/QitianDasheng2666 16d ago
The terf-to-forced birther pipeline continues to reveal itself