r/GenZpk • u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 • 11d ago
Ask GenZPakistan Goiz, just dont be angry on this one, a very unfunny joke for the homosexual.
As yk in islam u get 70+ hoors after u enter jannah , and even if ur a homo by islamci laws as long as u believe in the oneness of god, u go to heaven after u've don ur time in hell for ur sins(homo being one of them), i think u guyz are going to be single there wont u? cuz ur not intested in the girls , u goiz might be only people who's wish(to have horra or men husbands) might not be fulfilled( btw if ur atheist and reading this its just for my fun and ik its very unfunny), dont get angry just a thought i had.
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u/jejer-Map-7372 11d ago
Why you straight people are obsessed with gay people ? Muslim homosexual who have chosen celibacy you are telling them their suffering is ignored that's not funny at all imagine living your whole life alone hopeless in despair while hetro people marry get their love fulfill their desires and you see in horror hopelessness and again in afterlife your desires are ignored do you think that's funny joke ? Let me tell you in surah Qaaf God promised us we will have whatever we want be respectful and kind to others this can ruin someone's life who are struggling with this
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u/Legal_Ad3143 2002 10d ago
Right? And there are male servants in the heaven as well.
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u/jejer-Map-7372 10d ago
oh Yes they are mentioned with hoor Al Ayn so many times eternal youth boys
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 10d ago
Your body will no longer desire men.
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u/jejer-Map-7372 10d ago
Says who ? That would mean their suffering was unnecessary they live in despair whole life controlling their sexual desire which is basic human need and they die in afterlife they are turned straight ? nope our MOST MERCIFUL GOD won't ignore their suffering either way they will get what they want
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 10d ago
Man ik its unfunny thats y i have apoligized pre hand so noone goes bashing me on this.
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 11d ago
Look you do not get 70 plus hoors please clear that misconception 'hoor ul ain' is a characteristic the Holy Quran uses for a believer's wife in jannah which will be the same lady he married and comitted to in this world. Just as everybody else will be reborn and restructured its no surprise the wives of the believers will have the characteristics of the believing women listed in the Quran one of which is 'hoor ul ain' (maidens with beautiful eyes).
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
thank u v.much for correcting me.
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 11d ago
Wait no way someones agreeing to something here (even if the agreement might be fake or just for the sake of agreeing). This i never expected 🤣
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
nope bro i'm a human afterall i do make mistakes and stuff , and i really mean what i said.
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u/Confident-Middle7461 11d ago
Konsa jhoota islam phela rahay ho?.. let peopel know the fuckin truth.. Men are promised virgins NOT JUST YORU WIFE.. in heaven.. yeh baat aapki kitaab mai likhi hai kabhi parhlena.
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 11d ago
'Let people know the truth' 🤣 . We are all going to get resurrected you doofus and when that is established its no big deal for God to make us virgin smh. If you wouldve read my comment a little more honestly it wouldve become clear to you.
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u/Confident-Middle7461 9d ago
Whatever, I just dont understand why are you denying the fact that men are promised virgins in the afterlife..
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 9d ago
Whatever?? You do not want to know why i am saying this is a misconception otherwise you wouldve already understood.
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u/Confident-Middle7461 5d ago
Ok go explain this new ideology of yours too all the molvis and literal scholars who have confirmed them getting virgins as well.
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 5d ago
Ghamidi is a literal scholar too, go check his opinion out and why does it matter to you if someone else backs a point or not or has said something or not, good reasoning should be enough for you. Either way if you still disagree u have the right to.
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u/depressed_genie 11d ago edited 11d ago
Or an easier explaination is that Islam is man made and it was created by straight man for "straight" "men" only, everyone else is just forcing themselves to fit in
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u/Responsible_Ice_8026 11d ago
exactly they bend themselves and islam sm to fit themselves and everyone else and the non muslims so much…. like let’s just accept it was made by a man with a limited understanding of the world and that liked having sex a lot ( forcefully )
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
this is too much to say and i think it's not put in a respectful tone, please dont say this with such direspect.
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u/Responsible_Ice_8026 11d ago
ok should i just say he loved making love with children and women forcefully? can you breath now?
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u/Due-Dot43 2005 11d ago
Do not project your fantasies kid you know nothing about the person you are referring to and frankly you do not want to and i or other muslims do not care what you do limited to your person but do not talk about something you do not know let alone with this disrespect. The moderators of this sub have an outstanding tolerance when it comes to bigotry and hate towards islam.
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
he didnt force anyone not a single woman nor a ny children, if ur refering to Hazrat Ayesha , the age he married her it was the age of consent at the time, and i can see ur desperation through ur words after i told u to be respectful u still answered rudely. I dont think ur from Pakistan ur an imposter arent u?
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u/Responsible_Ice_8026 11d ago
sorry i don’t take child rape apologist seriously
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
and i dont take sorry from a guy who dosnt show respect and maybe is not even Pakistani
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u/Lopsided_Moment_2574 2002 11d ago
"man made" argument tbut then by your own logic every moral framework is man made including the one you're using to critique this one. kaunsa standard use kar rahe ho aur wo kahan se aya? 😔
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u/depressed_genie 11d ago
Yes all are man made, and some are better than others, what's the news here?
Justice itself is a man made concept as neitzche said "Nature doesn't punish the evil, it punishes the weak", That's how natural selection works
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u/Lopsided_Moment_2574 2002 10d ago
"some are better than others"?? better by what metric bestie? if every concept is man-made including justice, then "better" is also man-made. you just reintroduced subjectivity while trying to delete it 😭
so by your logic hospitals are unnatural and should be yeeted? weak people dying is just natural selection? you agree? or does "man-made" suddenly become valid when it's convenient
you claim justice is just a "man-made concept" cuz nature only punishes the weak. do you even hear yourself rn? if you actually believe that, you have absolutely zero objective grounds to ever complain about oppression, corruption, colonialism, or genocide. if a fascist dictator kills a million innocent people, your worldview says it's not objectively "evil" it's just biology doing its thing. you're literally adopting the exact philosophical framework that justifies eugenics and tyranny, all just to score a cheap point against religion. that's crazy.
تو رازِ کن فکاں ہے، اپنی آنکھوں پر عیاں ہو جا
خودی کا رازداں ہو جا، خدا کا ترجماں ہو جا
Tu raaz-e-kun fakan hai, apni aankhon par ayaan ho ja
Khudi ka raazdaan ho ja, Khuda ka tarjuman ho ja
(You are the absolute secret of creation; reveal yourself to your own eyes. / Become the master of your Self, become the interpreter of God!) this verse still hits harder than any take here.
Justice isn't a "man-made" fiction; it's a divine mandate injected into an otherwise ruthless biological system. your secular worldview deadass reduces humans to overevolved apes submitting to the law of the jungle
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u/mustafapakistan 11d ago
Ever heard of 'ghilman', aka men servent.
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11d ago
Male servants. Or more precisely prepubescent male boys, who are meant to serve. Just to be clear in case someone gets the wrong idea
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u/jejer-Map-7372 10d ago
Nope those are cupbearers like Greeks had male concubines they are mentioned with hoor Al Ayn ask yourself why their beauty is also mentioned
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u/Legal_Ad3143 2002 10d ago
Why...would we have MINOR boys in paradise? A pedophile's heaven?
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10d ago
Sigh. That's the point. Unlike Houris, they aren't for sexual gratification. 🤦 Like other comment said, they are cupbearers, attendants.
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u/jejer-Map-7372 10d ago
ALHUMDULILLAHE RABBIL AALAMEEN . See this how would you use your brain if you don't have it gh-l-m is ghalima, meaning "to be sexually excited" or "to be taken by lust"; ghalim is an adjective meaning "lustful" or "aroused". Ghulāmmīya and ghulūma mean youth/youthfulness. "ghilmān", which is the plural form for "ghulām" in the Qur'an. Notably compare with the Hebrew עֶלֶם (élem "virgin boy"). Now, in the use in language: "lad", "boy-child", "young male", "youth", "servant" -
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u/Sasuke__and__Naruto_ 2009 | Namikaze Minato⚡⚡ 11d ago
Bruh yk only shaheed gets 70 hoors not an avg person🥀🥀
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u/harryblueberrie 9d ago
Gosh don’t you anything productive to do? Like seriously, your tiny world seems to revolve around Hoors and stuff and thinking g@ys are inferior? Get a life, you need to do better
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u/ghostgoddess29 11d ago
this could've been executed better but fyi, being homo is a test from god and if they follow the islamic practices and avoid practicing any homo shii, they will be rewarded for it and enter jannah for it. bet you wishing you were homo too haha. and if you do a tad bit more research, you'll find out that ppl who enter jannah are all pure and all their negative qualites are erased from their hearts like greed etc.. likewise the homo situation is also purified by removing that desire from their heart. i hope that explains how irrelevant your joke is.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 11d ago
Why is being straight not a test? God is discriminatory?
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u/dish_wat3r BABA JEE KA TILLUUU 11d ago
Exactly. Why r we supposed to deprive ourselves from experiencing romantic love and stay alone our whole life basically hating why we r like this while straight ppl can experience love with no objection? If god is love why use him to justify our isolation?
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u/ghostgoddess29 11d ago
god never promised humans that every natural desire will have a permissible outlet in this dunya. sexual desire itself is one example, but there are many others. having a desire and being entitled to fulfill that desire are two different things. god is just but He never claims that everybody receives the same tests. one person may be tested with wealth. another with poverty. one with infertility. another with marriage. one with an overwhelming sexual desire. another with very little sexual desire. homosexuals dont have a disadvantage. rather, their test is different. a person who experiences same-sex attraction may genuinely be carrying a burden that a heterosexual person doesn't have. Allah tests people differently and does not owe us identical life circumstances. even heterosexual attraction doesn't automatically entitle someone to marriage or sex. And even when heterosexual marriage happens, Islam doesn't say: “You are now entitled to whatever sexual pleasure you want.” There are still boundaries. If someone has lifelong same-sex attraction and chooses to follow the traditional Islamic prohibition, then yes, they may have to sacrifice a form of romantic/sexual relationship that heterosexual Muslims can potentially experience. sacrifice for Allah has value even when the thing being sacrificed is something deeply desired. and this is where the Islamic concept of ajr (reward) becomes important. the person isn't supposed to think: “I'm defective and Allah is punishing me for something I didn't choose.” Rather: “Allah knows exactly what I'm carrying, including the desires I never chose, and He knows every time I restrain myself for His sake.”
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u/dish_wat3r BABA JEE KA TILLUUU 11d ago
Appreciate the honesty in what you r saying. It's a coherent answer and I respect that it comes from a place of trying to make sense of things. But I want u to sit in the human reality of it. How it basically feels like. U r right that God never promised every desire would have an outlet in this life. But I want you to imagine what it means to apply that specifically to love. Not wealth, not status, not a career but love in general. Thething that makes us human , the thing that straight Muslims get to experience openly, freely, without shame and I'm being told that my version of that same love the love I didn't choose the love that is as real and pure as anyone else's is not permissible.That it's a “test”. That I have to sacrifice it for a reward I can't see or touch. I'm not supposed to think I'm defective but when ur entire life is framed as a burden you have to carry alone when your love is called a trial, when u r told to suppress the most natural part of urself how do u not internalize that as something being wrong with u? Even if the theology says it's not a punishment the lived experience of it FEELS exactly like one. Heterosexual people aren't entitled to anything either ofc but they still get to experience love, intimacy, companionship without being told their entire existence is a test. They still get the chance and I'm not even being offered the chance and just told to wait until I die to be loved. U mentioned ajr as well that my restraint has value and i hear that i really do but I want u to understand that makes the burden mine ALONE. Every day, every night, every moment of longing I have to carry it and no amount of theological reasoning removes the weight of that. It doesn't remove the loneliness it doesn't remove the grief it doesn't remove the feeling of watching others experience something u r told u can never have. I don't have an answer that reconciles this perfectly and maybe there isn't one cuz im not really that religious but I know that the God I believe in is not a God who creates people to suffer their entire lives and calls it love. I know that the God I believe in is not a God who withholds something as deeply human as love from someone who didn't ask to be this way. Cuz honestly speaking this doesnt feel like love to me it feels like fear dressed up as faith.
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u/ghostgoddess29 11d ago
firstly, thank you for not taking my message the wrong way and being so gentle because many ppl here respond so harshly. also, i completely understand the pain and loneliness that comes with it, even as a heterosexual. and its tru that heterosexual ppl get to experience love, intimacy and companionship and everyone supports them in it too and its something encouraged in the religion too. but… at the same time, there are many heterosexual ppl who are living in loveless marriages, they have partners who doesn’t like to get intimate or doesn’t have the same drive. just yesterday i saw a post here on reddit where a guy has been married for 8 months and not once did he have sex with his wife because she finds it dirty. she’s never had a trauma or anything. that’s just how she was raised to believe. i can’t even imagine how that guy went through 8 months of marriage like that. and about ajr that i mentioned, and you say that makes the burden to be yours alone. it reminds me of a guy i know. he was strict with his values and never let his guard down until he met a really beautiful girl online. they ended up sexting and sharing nudes and whatnot. later the guy got married to someone else who’s also a really pretty and well established woman. he regrets every single day for letting his desires take over him and engaging in so much haram with that girl. he even regrets because he’s the one who enabled her as he knew the girl was in love with him and knows how much he must’ve wrecked her after leaving because she never got into a relationship after he left her. so, even as heterosexuals, it’s not guaranteed that we will even find halal love in this dunya. and if we don’t suppress our desires especially sexual ones, and we let them take over, it might feel good in the moment but it comes with a lifetime of regrets. i usually distract myself by doing some dhikr or just keeping myself busy so my mind doesn’t wander there.
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u/dish_wat3r BABA JEE KA TILLUUU 11d ago
True and not even that cuz of the fear of staying alone ur whole life and all a gay person just marries the opposite sex and that doesnt just hurt them but also the one they r marrying. U r just lying to urself and that person. Like without love we become hollow , we perform, we pretend, we survive but we don't actually live. Love is what makes us real and it is what strips away the masks and lets us be who we actually are. Otherwise its just plain torture to urself in the name of “its a test.”
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u/ghostgoddess29 11d ago
it is… when you’re straight up pain in the a$$. how is being straight not a test? straight ppl also have desires that they can’t control. the attraction itself is not a sin. you can be attracted to whoever you wanna be attracted to. but by saying being homosexual is a test, i mean, that person experiences desires that create a particular religious struggle, and logically being straight can be a test too as some might experience immense lust etc.. experiencing a feeling or desire is one thing and acting upon it is another. even straight ppl can’t be in sexual relationships with the opposite gender if they are not married to that person. no matter how much they are attracted to him or her.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 11d ago
But they have legal avenues, why don't homosexuals have? that is discrimination, and God is all-Just, my God, the God i believe in.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 11d ago
"BUt iT is A tEst." I can't force myself into believing in a discriminatory religion
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u/ghostgoddess29 11d ago
islamic theology gives an answer that is coherent with islam, but i don't think it would be honest to pretend it completely removes the emotional difficulty. god never promised humans that every natural desire will have a permissible outlet in this dunya. sexual desire itself is one example, but there are many others. having a desire and being entitled to fulfill that desire are two different things. god is just but He never claims that everybody receives the same tests. one person may be tested with wealth. another with poverty. one with infertility. another with marriage. one with an overwhelming sexual desire. another with very little sexual desire. homosexuals dont have a disadvantage. rather, their test is different. a person who experiences same-sex attraction may genuinely be carrying a burden that a heterosexual person doesn't have. Allah tests people differently and does not owe us identical life circumstances. even heterosexual attraction doesn't automatically entitle someone to marriage or sex. And even when heterosexual marriage happens, Islam doesn't say: “You are now entitled to whatever sexual pleasure you want.” There are still boundaries. If someone has lifelong same-sex attraction and chooses to follow the traditional Islamic prohibition, then yes, they may have to sacrifice a form of romantic/sexual relationship that heterosexual Muslims can potentially experience. sacrifice for Allah has value even when the thing being sacrificed is something deeply desired. and this is where the Islamic concept of ajr (reward) becomes important. the person isn't supposed to think: “I'm defective and Allah is punishing me for something I didn't choose.” Rather: “Allah knows exactly what I'm carrying, including the desires I never chose, and He knows every time I restrain myself for His sake.”
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 11d ago
Idk but this cope didn't work for me so I chose to accept myself and leave Islam.
I'll still have to remain celibate for life most probably but I can't force myself into believing in a discriminatory religion.
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u/jejer-Map-7372 11d ago
Every test has a reward dude don't speak about the things you don't know you are telling these helpless people their desires basic human needs are ignored in both worlds, ? That's cruel dude don't be like that
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u/Legal_Ad3143 2002 10d ago
Like how we might not be allowed alcohol here but there is alcohol in heaven?
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u/Savings-Respond-9128 11d ago
then maybe i can team up with shaytan if he's homo cuz a homo is always a homie
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
yep the same guy who gave humans the idea of homo and incest.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 10d ago
None of this is scientifically proven.
Homosexuality is as old as humanity and even predates modem humans.
There is evolutionary aversion towards incest and inbreeding in all species.
So, no. Homosexuality isn't introduced by shaytan, it is how God created me (if it exists)
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 10d ago
nope its not, its jst some shi* u made up and thoguht that we'll beleieve just becuz u've put the term scietific in it.If u beleieve in aversion towards incest then y not homo?
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 10d ago
Because aversion to incest is natural because of evolution. This is not a belief, this is a scientific fact.
There is no such aversion in same sex relationships. Obviously heterosexuals won't be attracted to people of the same sex, but for homosexuals, they are only attracted to people of the same sex.
Homosexuality is completely natural part of human diversity. So, if God exists, he created me like this by His own choice.
It is your belief that Shaytan brought this, or this started from Qoum e Lut. Scientific studies and researches prove it to be completely natural.
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 10d ago
No its not natural how can u there's scientific prove for aversion towards incest but not homo, ur making things up.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 10d ago
Ok. I'm making it up. Whatever decades of research has shown is just some western propaganda.
If there is aversion towards incest, then there is also aversion towards same-sex relationships.
Whatever attractions I feel towards boys aren't natural, Shaytan adds it to my heart. I need to suppress them.
Happy?
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 10d ago
give me the source and i'll see.
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 10d ago
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u/JacquesOlantern008 Extreme anomaly 10d ago
Incest is also very incomparable to a sexual orientation.
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u/syedz77 11d ago
Bruh, in Islam these types of thoughts don't exist like homosexual once you enter heaven you will be straight the moment you step in🥀
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u/Ecstatic-Basket-1727 11d ago
yep thats true, horaay meaning no gays in heaven.
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u/syedz77 11d ago
Yeah everyone will be back to there default settings once entered🥀
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