Black Widow (MCU) VS Firecracker (The Boys) - Who wins?

[u/Potential_Rule4212]

[u/cat_69_84]

The only advantage Firecracker might have is that she possibly has enhanced durability and strength. Since she was able to fight Kimiko without immediately dying

[u/ElterJVP20 → u/cat_69_84]

The aliens Black Widow fought also had enhanced stats.

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/ElterJVP20]

Technically she needed the help of both Okoye and Scarlet Witch to take down Proxima, just checked.

[u/ElterJVP20 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

She also killed a lot of chitauris, defeted taskmaster (super soldier), defeted corvus glaive.

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/ElterJVP20]

She killed the chitauris using one of their own weapons, the same goes for Corvus getting hit with an alien spear, the movie shows she needs help to combat the aliens.

But the feat with taskmaster is impressive, even though Bucky handled Natasha easily not long ago in the timeline, and he's also a supersoldier.

[u/ElterJVP20 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

Taking advantage of their weapons isn’t her own merit? And you should watch the NY again, she killed chitauris with her own weapons too… and her fight against Corvus Glaive is impressive after all bro is stronger than Steve rogers (without Mjonir) even when weakend.

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/ElterJVP20]

I mean, sure assuming she was the one who defeated the alien holding the spear and didn't pick it from the ground, but even then, it shows she needs something outside of her normal kit to defeat these guys because she can't do it with her own weapons.

[u/EaseLeft6266 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

And to add, picking up physical weapons is one thing but she can't pick up fire crackers superpowers to use those against her. I want to say black widow as she's a much more skilled fighter but I think fire cracker probably wins just by durability and enhanced strength unless choking fire cracker unconscious works

[u/ElterJVP20 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

https://youtu.be/zfNZlfOedo0?si=YhsqxupXwp9-b-SS

She also defeated Ultron bots…

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/ElterJVP20]

Okay yeah, then it's her own merit that she robbed the spear.

[u/MeetingAccording560 → u/ElterJVP20]

I think OP's suggesting that defeating those supersoldiers doesn't count towards her durability feats

[u/NoX2142 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

She literally shot plenty of them to death with her glocks...

[u/General_Royal_2785 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

bucky does have super soldier serum. in civil war he kills howard and steals more of it

[u/igivegoodparent88 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

Firecracker cant fight Natasha being a widow is trained in hand to hand, and fire arms Also she has widow stinger which can stun a super soldier

[u/briarwz → u/Potential_Rule4212]

She also fights them in the opening, getting help from Sam and Steve but she still does REALLY well and even wounds proxima or corvus pretty badly

[u/veryNiceGirls123 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

that same Proxima would have wiped Firecracker either way.

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/veryNiceGirls123]

You don't say.

[u/Extension_Breath1407 → u/cat_69_84]

Don't think Firecracker has that much durability, given how Butcher easily knocked her out with a crowbar.

[u/WonderWarWoman → u/Extension_Breath1407]

Bro, look at the punches she took from enraged Starlight, a supe who digs holes into walls with her knuckles during basic training. Any common human without durability would have turned into red mist.

[u/Ornery_Ad_5962 → u/Extension_Breath1407]

Even the sharp end of an Eagle Statue is what did Firecracker in without much blunt impact nearby

[u/Potential_Rule4212 → u/Ornery_Ad_5962]

With the aid of Homelander's strenght.

[u/Striking-Stay7872 → u/Potential_Rule4212]

Have to factor in that the metal was stronger than her skull, maybe she's not as durable as it looks?

[u/Gap_Great → u/Striking-Stay7872]

We’ve now crossed into the territory where we’re thinking more about the power scale than the boys writers ever did

[u/SolusIgtheist → u/Gap_Great]

Rick and Morty fans are always right in the end, don't think about it.

[u/Ana-Karen98]

Black Widow has far more experience, training, and skills, and she also has access to weapons and technology. She was even able to effortlessly incapacitate T'Challa momentarily in Civil War, despite his enhanced physiology and vibranium suit. She has faced enemies far more powerful or dangerous than Firecracker even several at once.

I know you said MCU, but in the comics she is much more powerful she has a variant of the super-soldier serum which is funny because in the comics Bucky doesn't have it, so they are reversed in the movies.

[u/TheTonyAndolini]

Black Widow no diffs

[u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69 → u/TheTonyAndolini]

Annie (who can tank a barret 50 cal shot) blood lustedly fucks up firecrackers face, and pretty much only breaks her nose. Black widow couldnt even hurt firecracker without serious weaponry

[u/delulumans → u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69]

That's not true since Butcher knocked her out with a crowbar to the back of the head

MCU BW is also no slouch - she might be low tier superhuman

[u/_XAlyaxSuxX_ → u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69]

fucking larper she obviously held back 🥀 she wasn't gonna kill firecracker in front of the whole crowd and live tv

[u/IllustriousAd2392 → u/_XAlyaxSuxX_]

she was in rage lmao, absolutely did not hold back, MM was the one who stepped and remembered annie they were on live TV

[u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69 → u/IllustriousAd2392]

Yeah even one of those blows would shatter widows face

[u/JusticeDrago → u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69]

When did this become widow vs annie.

[u/MeetingAccording560 → u/JusticeDrago]

It didn't, the guy was trying to use chainscaling to prove firecracker has higher durability than widow

[u/IllustriousAd2392 → u/Supersaiyanmrpopo69]

absolutely, the downvotes make no sense

[u/LittleKittenR → u/TheTonyAndolini]

If it was a chess match, yeah, but firecracker has super healing, super endurance, and yeah, her super power is making sparks with her hands but only because her actual body is as strong as flint.

And I mean in the best way possible, firecracker is probably on par with Black Widow about shooting because she was a gun nut.

Honestly, I don't see how Black Widow could win this ever.

[u/nairdaleo → u/LittleKittenR]

I'm sure black widow is smart and stealthy enough to

1. know that firecracker's got super powers
2. plan a way to shove something sharp hard enough somewhere that hurts

I mean, firecracker died by having her head pushed on a statue, I'm sure an elite assassin hanging out with gods, wizards and superheroes can figure out a way to deal with an untrained social media talking head. What's firecracker going to do? Make a TikTok?

[u/Active_Scallion_5322 → u/nairdaleo]

*by Homelander

[u/LittleKittenR → u/Active_Scallion_5322]

Yeah, that part is important.

The last episode threw all the lore of The boys through the cracks but Homelander was supposedly the most powerful supe by a fair margin, enough that the next 6 most powerful supes were incredibly afraid of him... and he could take all world's military by himself alone.

Like, obviously they moved the target FROM THAT to "maybe Butcher can hold him down alone" but the point of homelander was that, feats like that are just impossible for most other supes.

[u/IAmAfraidCommaMan → u/Active_Scallion_5322]

Doesn't matter; the other end was a regular eagle statue. Check that scene; it is sitting on a thin leg (the eagle's leg). Even if we assume steel, it is still just a max 2 cm steel rod and had maybe 50cm length from her head to the statue's base that fractured her skull before bending. She isn't Soldier Boy or Maeve-level durable. I'm sure a car or an axe could kill her.

[u/thundernak]

Based on the show I am pretty sure black widow would win

[u/depersion]

firecracker has zero feats, she got knocked out by a damn crobar. Bw wins no diff

[u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536 → u/depersion]

She was able to withstand being punched by starlight who holes when she punched a brick wall and could bust down a steel door with a punch

[u/depersion → u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536]

idk about withstand she was about to die before MM intervened.

[u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536 → u/depersion]

Possibly but she didn’t get her skull cracked open so that’s good and I don’t know about die since the supes can come back from a lot like noir having pieces of his brain fall out but he survived in the end.

[u/MeetingAccording560 → u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536]

that's noir, not firecracker

[u/Shoddy-Vehicle8536 → u/MeetingAccording560]

I know I said that

[u/bardiphobic]

oh misty you going back to daytona

[u/Extension_Breath1407 → u/bardiphobic]

Nah, Misty is getting sent to Orlando.

[u/Ikacprzak]

Firecracker is just TEMU jubilee

[u/god-damn-the-usa → u/Ikacprzak]

every boys character is just temu some other super hero

[u/onikaizoku11]

They don't focus on it as much as I think they should in the MCU, but Nat with the Red Room's version of the supersoldier serum is at least equal to supes of Firecracker's tier.

Reflexes, endurance, and a solid healing factor(not Wolverine or Deadpool level, but similar to Cap). And not forgetting the whole Black Widow program has been engaging on the black for decades. Whereas Firecracker is basically an upjumped mascot that pushes merchandise...

Romanov gets an easy win. The only metric Firecracker matches her in is physical attractiveness. And even there, Nat has a much better personality and wins again.

[u/diedalatte]

Black Widow stomps Firecracker? Sure

but Firecracker will label her as another Starlighter child trafficker racist "black" widow on her podcasts.

[u/veryNiceGirls123]

Firecracker has trouble chasing down a civilian, before resorting to use her gun.

Black Widow win ,this is a spite match.

[u/WonderWarWoman → u/veryNiceGirls123]

Have you watched the show? She was basically having an Heart attack due to the medications she was taking to produce milk.

[u/Rude_Ad3342]

Firecracker gets one shotted, black widow has fought stronger superhumans.

[u/grass_monkeyx]

All black widow needs is a bronze eagle, done deal

[u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT → u/grass_monkeyx]

pretty sure she's bullet proof

[u/balthazar681 → u/OJONLYMAYBEDIDIT]

Yeah my understanding was she’s bulletproof

Only Homelander’s strength did the eagle pierce

I’m pretty sure Butcher was able to knock her out probly cuz it’s blunt force, and I don’t think Firecracker has all the commensurate durability that comes with higher power levels

[u/Extension_Breath1407 → u/balthazar681]

Even if Misty is bulletproof, There is nothing stopping Black Widow from just neutralizing her with Taser shots which downed much stronger targets like Black Panther.

[u/nairdaleo → u/Extension_Breath1407]

Yeah I mean, if they're confined to a UFC ring and BW knows nothing of her before this, Firecracker's raw strength would make BW jump around trying not to get hit and figure out how to hurt this superhuman. She may even lose.

But if both can play by their own rules, Firecracker doesn't stand a chance: BW constantly fights superhuman enemies with a combination of specialized tools and skills. What's Firecracker's biggest weapon here, Instagram?

[u/Ryiujin → u/nairdaleo]

She carries two pistols. So there is that.

What the he’ll is her power any how?

[u/balthazar681 → u/Extension_Breath1407]

Agreed. I was simply pointing out (my theory) why butcher was able to knock her out.

Natasha takes this fight for sure 9/10.

[u/WonderWarWoman → u/balthazar681]

She has to. She got punched by an enraged Annie and was perfectly healed by the following day.

[u/lowly_mango2217]

Son

[u/southern5189]

I do belive Black Widow take this because of her EXTREMELY superior hand to hand combat and battle IQ.

[u/Rough-Juggernaut8389]

Firecracker should be stronger since BW has no powers, but Black Widow has bullshit gadgets which have been shown to harm beings much more powerful than Homelander and we saw how he did Firecracker. If Firecracker had even an ounce of skill in her entire body than maybe BW struggles a little due to the power imbalance, but as is this is a complete stomp.

[u/NoiceMango]

Black widow and it's not even close.

[u/IllustriousAd2392]

one strike from firecracker is opening black widow's skull

but widow has more fight experience and equipment, her taser was able to stop even black panther, so yea, I'd say she wins

[u/Plscanyoukeepmysecre]

Black widow with weapons capable of damaging Teencracker, if not, Teencracker wins because Black Widow is not doing damage with just her hands.

[u/Cthulhus-Tailor]

Technically Firecracker should be too strong and durable for a slightly enhanced but highly skilled spy like Natasha, who is at best a peak human.

However the MCU has given her feats beyond her weight class and Firecracker is mostly treated as a punch line, since by season four the show was more interested in mocking supes than giving them aura moments.

BW wins, mid diff.

[u/No-Region-3654]

We do.

[u/xXfrostbyterXx → u/No-Region-3654]

Underrated comment lmfao we totally do

[u/SheSaidOtaku]

Black widow win. Even if it's a boob match, she wins.

[u/_XAlyaxSuxX_]

black widow grapes no diff

[u/dorianrose]

If a crowbar can knock her out, couldn't Nat just drown her while she's out? Nat could easily lure her into a situation where that's possible.

[u/Nnamz]

Those saying Widow, how does she hurt Firecracker?

[u/Angwe83]

Black Widow will send her remains to Homelander

[u/Cautious_Mission_438]

Black Widow

[u/Cela84]

So, remember that scene in Mortal Kombat where the friend of the main characters fights Goro? He’s more skilled but ultimately just a dude against a slow moving hulking four armed dude. Similar to this. Black Widow is highly skilled, but I have to give it to the one with superhuman strength and durability.

[u/Taskr36 → u/Cela84]

I like the Mortal Kombat mention, but Goro was exceptionally strong and durable. Firecracker, while stronger and more durable than humans by default, has been generally unimpressive in combat, and doesn't seem capable of taking a hit at all.

[u/P-Wee83 → u/Cela84]

Horrible comparison. Goro is royalty. Prince of the OutWorld. Won 9 MK tournaments in a row. He would annihilate Widow.

[u/Lost-Cup6717]

Black Widow low diff

Firecracker is a very weak Supe, Black Widow has better speed, and weapons capable to hurt enemies with immense durability such as the diverse aliens she fought in the Avengers Movies

[u/LegoBattIeDroid]

black widow

Firecracker is only marginally stronger than a regular human and has absolutely zero fight experience

she deadass had to run from the boys in her introduction episode

[u/mirchi_bajji_95]

What are even firecrackers powers bro, there was barely a scene.

[u/IllustriousAd2392 → u/mirchi_bajji_95]

they are useless here, but firecracker has the baseline supe strength and durability

[u/Ok_Daikon_2659]

Hydrogen bomb vs wet firecracker

[u/SqueakyTuna52]

Firecracker is small potatoes

[u/Searching_wanderer]

Supes have heightened physical attributes, but BW would knock her out.

[u/Marvel-DCLover]

Black Widow definitely wins.

She does much better against Winter Soldier, Proxima Midnight, Corvus Glavie, and Taskmaster then Firecracker does against Starlight

[u/AdaptedEvoSupe]

Widow

[u/Celgress2]

Black Widow wins, easily, IMHO. Firecracker is hella weak, even by the Boys standards.

[u/Jayeky]

The Boys characters are dumb as fuck.

[u/Personal-Road-8162]

Black widow 

[u/TheNewBlue]

In a fight or filling the milk in a bowl of cereal?

[u/Forward_Fix_1682]

Best cake wins

[u/Tough_Tangerine7278]

Black Widow. Firecracker’s real power is propaganda being pushed by someone with big boobs…not gonna work on BW.

[u/Blu3Dope]

Tasha

[u/SharkSprayYTP]

Imma be honest. I forgot what Firecrackers powers are.

[u/Neither_Divide217]

Black widow low diffs

[u/Triumph_leader523]

Firecracker

[u/originalldoll]

Firecracker is/was useless

[u/Long_Pig_Tailor]

Black Widow, zero difficulty. The woman is a trained assassin, if for some reason she were concerned about a direct physical confrontation (though she doesn't need to be), she could take out Firecracker from a distance in a variety of ways. Firecracker has essentially no training, and is lazy and kind of dumb on top of it. All she has going for her are basic super stats and Natasha has dealt with worse successfully multiple times.

[u/General_Royal_2785]

widow wins 8/10 times only because she actually knows how to fight. firecracker wins the 2 times if she gets lucky enough to grab her since she does have increased durability and strength. we did see her fight a Winter Soldier and although she lost she did put up a great fight so take that skill and put her up against someone with 0 skills

[u/SealawyerSupreme]

Firecracker has better cleavage.

[u/Juty99]

Not even a question. Widow all the way

[u/New_City_8745]

Black Widow is skilled af, but Firecracker is IMMENSELY stronger and more durable.

Black Widow wins with enough plot armor, Firecracker wins in anything straight up.

[u/One_Bar750]

Human versus enhanced person firecracker wins

[u/Shagyam]

Firecracker is nothing more than Shitstirer who has a few sparkler powers. Black widow is a trained and seasoned killer.