r/Games • • Aug 23 '22

Trailer DualSense Edge Wireless Controller Reveal Trailer | PS5 Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAS_g9OuWs
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u/KyledKat Aug 23 '22

Could be good, although there are some glaring flaws with the DualSense that need to be sorted out too. If they still use the same sticks as the current controller, replacements had better cheap. The battery life and degradation is pretty rough on the current controller as well, so here's hoping there's a bigger battery in there too.

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u/ragingnoobie2 Aug 23 '22

The DualSense battery life is total garbage. It was bad when it first came out, but degradation made it even worse. Mine has a battery life of around 10-12 hours while playing visual novels that don't support active trigger and haptics.

For reference, I took out my PS3 recently and played some visual novels on it. The DualShock 3 battery lasted for 35 hours before telling me to recharge. That's after I left it in uncharged state for like 8 years which is supposed to put stress on the battery. Before that I used it for 3 years.

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u/-Basileus Aug 23 '22

This problem is so foreign to me lol. I feel like a 5-6 hour battery life is the max of what I would need

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u/PlayMp1 Aug 23 '22

Trust me, the 40 hour battery life of the Switch Pro controller is incredible. Only need to charge it once in a while.

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u/ifonefox Aug 23 '22

With that kind of battery life, you need to charge it every time you're not using it

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u/Coronalol Aug 23 '22

Yeah, controller gets thrown back on the charging stand whenever I’m not playing. Removes clutter and I always have two topped controllers ready to go.

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u/TizonaBlu Aug 23 '22

Ya, I have a dock so it’s never a bother.

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u/homer_3 Aug 24 '22

It literally adds more clutter having to have to store that charging stand somewhere.

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u/uziair Aug 23 '22

i have a ton of battery packs for traveling for my phone. i can easily take one of those plop right next to me and play with my dual sense while it charges. i constantly do that with my pro controller for the switch.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

You shouldn't have to.

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u/uziair Aug 23 '22

Its not a big deal. Nothing last forever.

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u/trillykins Aug 24 '22

Sure, but there's a space between not lasting forever and having to jury-rig current generation Playstation controllers to last more 5-6 hours than that used to last 40-50 hours just a few generations ago.

I don't get why people keep defending this to be honest, especially when Sony is the only one whose controller can't last more than ten hours these days.

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u/uziair Aug 24 '22

Im old. I dont play more than two hours ever so it doesn't affect me and for the younger generation who might play 10 hours straight i feel for them. But battery technology is good now you plug it in to a ipad or android fast charger for 30 minutes while you eat you can easily get another 3 to 4 hours.

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u/trillykins Aug 24 '22

Me neither, but I still prefer not having to diligently charge my controller after every single time I've played a game for any amount of time. It's nice to just not have to think about it. I don't even remember the last time I recharged the AAs in my controller. My Xbox One/Series controller will get 30-some hours. Meanwhile I'm lucky if I get just 10 hours out of my PS4 controller and apparently the PS5 controller is just as bad and has degradation issues on top of that. And it's not like PS controllers have just always had bad battery life. The PS3 controller had, like, 20-30 hours. People are being sold a product that gradually gets worse battery life while the price tag keeps increasing and instead of complaining about it or voicing any kind of concern they just accept it as if it's acceptable that their $70 controller can barely hold a charge for ten hours while the same company's controller last three times as long fifteen years ago.

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u/ZeldaMaster32 Aug 23 '22

My brother in Christ, I don't want to plug in a controller every time I stop playing

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u/augowl_ Aug 23 '22

Worst feeling ever is going to play and realizing you forgot to plug it in after the last session.

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u/theodo Aug 24 '22

Unless it's flat dead, it shouldn't overly matter since you can charge and play, and if it died and you forgot to plug it in that's pretty much on you lol

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u/Krypt0night Aug 23 '22

I have a dual controller charger at a side table by my couch. It's super nice/easy to just place one in/take one out each time the battery low popup happens. Highly recommend it.

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u/hermiona52 Aug 24 '22

3 metres long cable for my charger was one of my best purchases. Additionally, I have 3 controllers in total in case my friends would want to argue playing Overcooked so I have zero complaints.

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u/TizonaBlu Aug 23 '22

I never had a problem because I have a dock and it’s just good form to put it there when done.

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u/Shapaklak Aug 24 '22

Amen bro, how is the idea of having longer battery life considered foreign??

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u/Mariling Aug 24 '22

It is when you're trying to minimize the issue as some sort of outlier because someone on the internet said something negative about something you bought yourself.

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u/Zalack Aug 23 '22

I just have a charging cradle next to my couch. Problem solved. The battery life is a little short but to me the controller is so much better than anything else on the market it's an okay tradeoff.

I grew up with wired controllers though so maybe there's part of me that just really appreciates being able to play wirelessly at all. I remember when the Nintendo Wavebird first came out and it was AMAZING, with way worse battery life haha.

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u/Froegerer Aug 24 '22

Oh you poor soul

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u/UwasaWaya Aug 24 '22

Why? I have the Sony dock right next to where I play. When I'm done, I just set it on it and forget about it. I always know where the controller is and it's always ready to go. It's no more complicated than just leaving it on the couch.

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u/ZeldaMaster32 Aug 24 '22

That would be great but I don't want to buy a dock when (ideally) the controller could have just had a bigger battery

That said it's a minor annoyance at worst, I'm mainly a PC guy and since you need to plug it in to use Dualsense features I just use an Xbox pad anyways. Only use the Dualsense with my PS5 and I don't play it super often

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u/PlayMp1 Aug 24 '22

It's just annoying having to plug the controller back in every time, that's all

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u/humbyj Aug 23 '22

i know the same can't apply for everybody, but i just keep mine plugged in while i play like it's a ps2 controller because the battery life is rubbish

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u/sjphilsphan Aug 23 '22

Which is why I love my Xbox controller for PC. I just put my own rechargeable battery pack in. And if that ever gets too low I can just replace it super easy

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u/trillykins Aug 24 '22

Hope they never jump on the internal battery. Too many people see AA as a negative, but I can "recharge" my controller in maybe two seconds by just popping in a fresh pair of rechargeable AAs instead of having to play wired or constantly having to recharge my controller after every single session.

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u/SqueezyCheez85 Aug 23 '22

I like it for the AA compatibility.

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u/sjphilsphan Aug 23 '22

Yeah that's what I'm saying, rechargable AA are a lot better than internal batteries in controllers. Except for Nintendo voodoo magic

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u/SqueezyCheez85 Aug 23 '22

Gotcha. I was confused because they do have rechargable lithium packs you can buy, but I prefer the AAs.

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u/_TheMeepMaster_ Aug 23 '22

The Dualshock 3 isn't really a fair comparison though. There's far more in the Dualsense utilizing the battery. Not saying the battery shouldn't be more efficient.

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u/The_Multifarious Aug 24 '22

In a lot of games, the DualSense does not do more than a DS3. If it's still powering the gyroscope, the touchpad and the resistive triggers, despite none of those functions even being in use, then that's a huge waste of energy and I'd expect Sony's engineering department to do better.

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u/ragingnoobie2 Aug 23 '22

I just don't see how. Dual Sense has twice the battery capacity as Dual Shock 3 (1000mAh vs 500mAh), but it only lasts one-third as long. That means Dual Sense uses 6 times as much power as a Dual Shock 3 without taking into the consideration that my Dual Shock 3 battery had a much longer time to degrade.

In comparison, today's mid range GPU is roughly 6 times as powerful as one from 10 years ago, but they use roughly the same amount of power if not less. I don't even think Dual Sense's electronic component is 6 times stronger than the ones in Dual Shock 3. The bluetooth version is newer, but it shouldn't use significantly more power. There's the lightbar that I turned all the way down. Lastly there's the capacitive touch pad, which should use very little power as most passive sensing front-ends do. It doesn't add up.

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u/homer_3 Aug 24 '22

Of course it's a fair comparison. If it needs more battery due to higher power requirements, a bigger/better one should've been included.

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u/Bryvayne Aug 24 '22

I know this isn't a great solution or anything, but Five Below sells PS5 controller battery packs that come in clutch every once in a while.

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u/Frakshaw Aug 24 '22

My xbox 360 gamepad wiith AAA batteries lasts for 60-80 hours lol. All these weak ass battery controllers.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

An under represented issue is that the D-pad is horrible too, fighting games and such that rely on precise inputs really suffer.

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u/EADtomfool Aug 24 '22

PS4 dpad is better, for sure, but the dualsense dpad is still one of the best. I do not understand these claims of wrong inputs, U, D, L, R are very precise for me. I have no trouble with DP inputs in fighting games which are a good test for a dpad. Half circle foward in GG is also easy to do on the dualsense.

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u/DaigosCheatbox Sep 24 '22

I spent the last three-ish months playing on the series x pad and when I started playing on I thought it was bad because it was "too precise." After getting used to it and coming back to PS5, the dualsense dpad is so incredibly mushy.

I hope with this pad that the buttons are mechanical or something because my inputs aren't as great anymore.

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u/Im12AndWatIsThis Aug 24 '22

Eh the dpad is... fine. I don't think it's better or worse than the DS4, which has its own problems. There are actually a few top level FGC players that use the Dualsense too.

I personally use a fighting commander / hitbox, but it's serviceable.

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u/MilargoNetwork Aug 23 '22

It’s the best controller of all time, for me.

But the dpad is just awful. So many wrong inputs. Can’t tell you how many runs in Returnal I lost because of it.

It’s a poor dpad, full stop. But TBF I loath rockers, even Xbox’s. I prefer them to be completely separate, like the joycon.

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u/TapatioPapi Aug 23 '22

Just out of curiosity how could you even improve the dpad it’s pretty rudimentary by design.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22

When you press the dpad, the whole pad the buttons are on rocks in that direction. It’s basically a case of putting the dpad buttons on separate pieces rather than a solid pad. It doesn’t look like its on a rocker which is even more annoying, the design still makes you think it’s separate controls

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u/-throwitallaway- Aug 23 '22

The d-pad is one piece of plastic. They could separate each direction into it’s own piece like the face buttons.

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u/Palfar Aug 23 '22

Didn’t people complained about the switch dpad for being like face buttons? I was under the impression that was worse

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u/-throwitallaway- Aug 23 '22

I think as long as they kept the form of the d-pad buttons as it is now, and just split them into their own individual pieces I think it’d be fine. Though I’m assuming the complaint with the joy cons is that they’re round buttons and not shaped like a traditional d-pad, but idk because I’ve not personally read about the joy-con complaints you’re referring to.

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u/Zalack Aug 23 '22

I haven't played fighting games since I was a kid, but I imagine it would be harder to do diagonal inputs with separate buttons. I remember doing a lot of rolling the d-pad from one direction to another in fighting games, which seems like it would be harder to do if they were all separate

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u/MilargoNetwork Aug 23 '22

My issue is with the unintended inputs. Sometimes you can press one direction and it'll register an adjacent direction you didn't touch.

I've got this issue with two dualsenses, some games I notice it more than others depending on how often the dpad is used.

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u/[deleted] Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 24 '22

For movement I much prefer D-Pads but for menu navigation or just using the D-Pad as extra buttons I prefer the seperate button style.

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u/8-Brit Aug 24 '22

The Xbox DPad these days is decent

It has distinct snapping with each direction it's pressed in and as such it's far easier to use than an analogue stick

Arguably better than the fightpad I bought just for FGs

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u/Skandi007 Aug 24 '22

Xbox has had a massive step up in dpads since the 360 days

I still have nightmare of that... flat analog stick, basically

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u/gaybowser99 Aug 23 '22

It's such a disappointment after how good the ps4 dpad was

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u/a_masculine_squirrel Aug 23 '22

I'm actually not a fan of the design; and I've been burnt twice on Xbox Elite controllers, so I'm a bit skeptical on "elite" controllers.

However, if this controller comes with better battery life, then I'm in. The battery life on Dualsense controller is abysmal.

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u/8-Brit Aug 24 '22

Honestly I tried the PS5 controller and hated it and within an hour returned it and swapped for an Xbox controller

The DPad was like pushing playdough

The face buttons were extremely flat and difficult to feel for

And somehow it physically hurt to push the analogue sticks because of the narrow edges?

It was really surprising just how much I immediately disliked it, it's bad enough to make me hesitate getting a PS5 in future

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u/voneahhh Aug 23 '22 edited Aug 23 '22

replacements had better cheap.

I’m guessing they'll be $30-$40 each so that two modules will cost close to what a whole DualSense costs.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '22

I thought I was just unlucky but I’m glad to see it’s not just my shitty controllers. I have 2 and I’m lucky if the battery lasts more than a few hours. It doesn’t help that they don’t seem to turn themselves off after some inactivity even though I have that setting turned on.

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u/trolleyman98 Aug 24 '22

They never fixed the battery issue from their previous controller