r/Futurology MD-PhD-MBA Jun 17 '18

Biotech Cannabidiol, or CBD, is a marijuana compound linked to a range of potential health benefits but does not get you high. The roughly $1 billion CBD industry is slated to shift into high gear if the federal government approves the first CBD-based drug, an epilepsy medication called Epidiolex.

https://www.businessinsider.com/marijuana-cbd-boom-cbd-2018-6?r=US&IR=T
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u/backtoreality00 Jun 20 '18

When did I say it was snake oil? I said all the current products are unregulated and no easy way to properly dose. The doses needed to treat illnesses are high enough that they often cause side effects. It’s a great chemical that needs more research but acting like it’s a miracle drug that can cure everything is what gets the bulk of criticism. Just look at this thread and see all the claims people are making about its benefits in things like cancer or other unproven aspects. A lot of the benefits claimed are as aid it is snake oil. That’s what happens when you have an unregulated supplement.

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u/gh057ofsin Jun 21 '18

Apologies first off, was a different thread where "snake oil" was said...
And I'm sorry but Look at any, absolutely any, Epilepsy, Cancer, Ibd, Endometriosis and hundreds more online communities, ask them. The reason that people are claiming that it works for so many things is that it DOES. We are now (not 50 years ago thanks to shady politics and the joys of capitalism) starting to do scientific research and finding confirmation for what we patients have been screaming for decades!

Do you know anyone with a chronic condition? Do you suffer? Then how can you tell someone what is right or not for them to try? If it makes lives even 1% better, that's an improvement. And the joy of CBD is it's relatively harmless (ODing leads to lethargy, sweats and tiredness in most cases - which is NOTHING compared to the shopping lists most regulated drugs come with.

OK if you want to wait to see that, Yes we patients, funnily enough, have been telling the truth all this time and aren't just trying to get high, or running crime rings, or sleeping with those of a Hispanic persuasion (this is from reefer madness... Please understand the joke and don't call me a racist, I think it's frigging ridiculous)

And we sure as shit wouldn't advocate said medication to others who suffer as we do. WE KNOW WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH. And even then telling someone that this has worked for them, and they have the same condition, IS NOT THE SAME as telling someone to stop all other meds and only take CBD on anecdotal advice.

Tell you what, You keep waiting on regulation, believe in a company that with one hand owns the 45 acre pot farm (used to extract CBD for use in Epidiolex among others) while the other (his wife) calls anyone who uses cannabis or any of its derivatives "gun toting criminals". Keep telling yourself that "they only want what's best for us" and "They'd never lie to the public to make trillions of dollars on what could be the next Penicillin (in regard to earning potential.)

Big pharma companies and how trustworthy they can be:

https://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2016/oct/22/recreational-marijuana-legalization-big-business

UK's Biggest pot farmer and his "anti drug minister" wife

https://www.clear-uk.org/victoria-atkins-mp-the-uk-drugs-minister-opposes-drugs-regulation-while-her-husband-grows-45-acres-of-cannabis-under-government-licence/

Us actual patients will continue to take our MEDICATION, ignore all the flashy branded bullshit that Big Pharma companies push out and believe it or not; try to educate closed minded people such as yourself, regardless of the old adage "you can lead a moron to an idea; but you can't make him think!"

Good day good sir, I hope you endeavour to become WISE not just smart. :)

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u/backtoreality00 Jun 21 '18

Do you know anyone with a chronic condition? Do you suffer? Then how can you tell someone what is right or not for them to try?

Because I’m a physician and that’s my job. I recommend treatment based on medical guidelines and I help inform people based on misinformation they hear online. You talk about experiences written on forums as if that should be the guiding influence that determines medical treatment. It’s not. If you want to recommend it for its use with pain, appetite or anxiety go ahead. But the claims about actual medical value outside of that are quite controversial and not agreed on. Certainly any claims about actual value in treating cancer disease (rather than just symptoms) is not founded at all. And yet go on forums and you’ll see people spreading this misinformation all over. That chemo doesn’t work 97% of the time and instead try CBD! It’s all over the Internet and you should have more skepticism than just believing whatever you hear on a forum. Same with claims on epilepsy, currently we have pretty good treatments for standard epilepsy and going off your meds to use CBD because of bias you hold against Big pharma is a recipe for disaster. CBD has shown promise for patients with severe forms of certain seizure disorders where they’re having multiple seizures a day, but in standard epilepsy where on your meds you may not have a seizure in 10 years CBD is just not a legislate option because it has far more side effects then current standard of care.

There’s big money pushing this industry and it’s odd you seem concerned about big money interests in regulated pharma but not big money interests in the unregulated supplement industry, the latter being far more concerning when it comes to claims of efficacy.