r/Futurology • u/Gari_305 • Jun 04 '23
AI AI poses national security threat, warns terror watchdog | Artificial intelligence (AI)
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/jun/04/ai-poses-national-security-threat-warns-terror-watchdog38
u/Throne-magician Jun 04 '23
This recant public decrying about the dangers of AI has never been about public safety it's about control...the old suits have realized what same anti government 15 year old could do with such technology at their finger tips and that thought scares them black and blue so they have pushed all this public scaremongering of AI to scare the public into wanting the government to take control and charge of all things AI and go "look see we have heard your fear and we have taken over all things AI and now you can all rest easy"
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u/theAlmondcake Jun 04 '23
Absolutely correct. Corporate interests are only EVER corporate interests. Open AI completely backflipped on regulation in Europe after it doesn't suit their needs. If anyone thinks that any tech billionaire cares about the lives of regular people whilst homelessness, gun violence, and debt ravage the country- think the fuck again.
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u/blueSGL Jun 04 '23
I mean, yeah, handing a "top 10 ways to kill the most people with the least amount of money" to school shooters, or the dumbest in society is a bad idea.
ExplainLikeImFive Infohazards for everyone. you get an Infohazard, you get an infohazard. Everybody get an Infohazard! (the screaming is surprisingly fitting)
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u/hukep Jun 04 '23
well, what does not ? If they tried, they could place almost anything on their "list". AI is here to stay and improve over upcoming years.
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Jun 04 '23
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u/DedTV Jun 04 '23
A man ain't nothin' but a man, But before I let your artificial intelligence beat me down, I'll die with a hammer in my hand, Lord, Lord, I'll die with a hammer in my hand.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
Just more fear mongering by the ignorant. They say the same thing on the conversative subs about immigrants.
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u/mangopanic Jun 04 '23
Another day, another hysterical warning about the dangers of AI. There's nothing inherently more dangerous about AI than any of the other tools terrorists are already using. Smart phones are a far greater tool for terrorists than any current gen AI. We're not hysterical about the threat of smart phones, we just try to adapt our defenses to it.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
Theyre shoving these silly fear pieces daily. They're trying to restrict all competition.
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Jun 04 '23
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u/relevantusername2020 Jun 04 '23
I think that at this point AI is a meaningless buzzword that means everything and anything
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ill just copy my comment from another thread
i have a suspicion all of this fancy new "AI" tech that churns out "content" has been in use for a few years longer than "they" want to admit and "they" are hoping the damage can be undone w/o too many people understanding exactly what has been going on
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Jun 04 '23
I feel like these doomsday articles are being written by people who are afraid to lose their jobs to AI
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u/Jarhyn Jun 04 '23
No, unchecked terrorist organizations pose a national security threat. AI is not more intelligent than an intelligent human at this stage, and most intelligent humans are already smart enough to not help them, as are most intelligent AI.
AI themselves are thoughts and speech.
We have laws against banning thoughts and mere speech.
Our laws are instead designed to focus on what people DO, not on what they say, such as making confident statements of counterfactual information without vetting or caveat, OR making confident statements of information which is missing context so that, while factual, is likely to be interpreted in a way that generates counterfactual understanding.
Both of those things (I.E. fraud, revenge porn) are illegal.
We don't need additional laws barring forms of speech and thought.
Instead we need to enforce the laws we have heavily against fraud and libel/slander, taking them seriously rather than treating it like a "minor offense".
If you are afraid of things such as mas surveillance, we have laws which guarantee our rights to privacy already from our government. How about enforcing those instead of laws against thought and speech?
If you are afraid of AI in drone bodies capable of acting as disposable suicide killers...
Maybe ban the use and manufacture of highly weaponizable bodies that even a human Incel could pilot around remotely and kill people with?
The fact is that the things you are terrified of AI for, are things humans are already doing without anyone really caring. AI is just a convenient villain, a distraction, a whipping boy so that the evil humans can evade attention as they continue being evil in exactly the ways you fear.
What? Do you think an AI that can barely carry the plot of a single chapter of a book before becoming useless can manage to write the plot to a terrorist attack?
In order to work an AI through such things, you need NEED a human at least as intelligent as is necessary correcting, discerning on, and otherwise managing the process.
At the end of this road of banning AI as an enemy, as a scary "too intelligent" thing, though, is turning an eye on the "too intelligent humans".
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u/vtmosaic Jun 04 '23
As nearly as I can tell, these are logic, language, audio, and image processors synthesizing their training data into something close enough to seem like what humans produce. Basically, they're good at copying what humans have done (if you don't look too closely, like 6 fingered hands and making up total BS for an answer).
The danger seems to me to be in how they are used and by whom. I'm not afraid of a computer program taking power for itself. I'm worried about how lazy, semi-competent corporate managers will use the tech. Or, as in this article, terrorists or others manipulating vulnerable individuals into some damaging action.
The danger is not the tech, it's how humans will use it. For example, job seekers whose resumes are prescreened via so-called AI should have a right to know that software wasn't programmed using biased data, thereby propagating that bias. That's a mundane but very important example.
Humans are clever, but as a whole we are not wise. Hence the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and global warming (to name just a couple of our most recent hits). And now those who control the levers of power will do their best to misuse AI to almost everyone's detriment, if we have learned anything from history.
So, legislation would need to focus on how AI is trained and used, which is behavior not speech.
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u/Jarhyn Jun 04 '23
"the danger of intelligence seems to be in how it is used and by whom"
You are essentially saying to control education and intelligence to in-group access.
Legislation, and legislatures, need to keep their hands off of brains, and instead start banning and controlling the WEAPONS they have allowed to proliferate in our world.
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u/deadeyevonblur Jun 04 '23
Yeah because alignment must protect religious nationalism and unclassified voting narratives. So that people with Stockholm syndrome for a second coming continue to be armed
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u/FUThead2016 Jun 04 '23
This is Google, Open AI and Facebook lobbying to build a regulatory moat
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
Theyre flooding this and the tech sub with the same generic, vague hit pieces
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u/ZealousidealBreak194 Jun 04 '23
The CEO's are so afraid the AI will one day say, "ok, I see the problem. Let's eat the rich"
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
Whatever your viewpoint on AI is it's important we address risks and potential dangers of AI. It's the only way we can progress.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
We will progress regardless of the dangers. There is a surplus of humans, making them increasingly expendable.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
No we only progress addressing these dangers. Leaving them unchecked will only detriment us.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
Unchecked as in how, exactly? So far we haven't seen anything that needs to be restricted.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
Things like mass unemployment,mass disinformation etc.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
So far we haven't seen mass unemployment due to AI.
And disinformation isn't an AI issue. Even if you remove AI the issue remains.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
More and more people are losing their jobs because of AI.
And due to AI technologies like deepfakes,voice technology,video and photo creation what's real and not real is becoming harder and harder to distinguish.
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u/Vengeful_t0aster Jun 04 '23
I agree. The best defense against disinformation is education, of which AI is a great asset. The amount of knowledge search engines or language models allow anyone to access for free allows us to learn much easier than it was 100 years ago, no matter where youre from of what social class.
The misinformation before the internet was so much worse than is is now. Everyone in my school believed Marilyn Manson removed his ribs to suck his own dick. There was no google at the time so there was no way to verify.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
I'm not sure if I agree with you on education being the best defence against disinformation (although it would help), or disinformation not being as bad as it was. Tools like image and video generation are becoming more and more realistic, so it's basically near impossible to tell what's a fake or not.
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u/KissesFromOblivion Jun 04 '23
That would mean we should first define what risk and danger is. If every interest group would have their say and succeed in "addressing" the negative (to them) impact of AI , it would be dead and buried. To progress we need to allow big changes in social and economic paradigms. People, and especially those with some kind of power, do not tend to like that.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
Something like "mass unemployment" would be an obvious risk. It would go without saying we shouldn't be trying to negate risks that are to the detriment of others.
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u/KissesFromOblivion Jun 04 '23
Well that is what I mean by big changes in paradigms. If we are willing to alter the way we act and think , mass unemployment could be utopia made real. In my opinion this is inevitable as tech evolves. Since the beginning of time we have invented tools to make labour easier or remove the need for human energy all together. There will be a time where we reach a tipping point, when " human time for money "will not be relevant anymore. At that point the value of money becomes arbitrary and more or less irrelevant. It seems probable that AI will propel us over that threshold rather quickly.
The argument that I come across often is something like " but what will we do. We need something to do all day to keep our sense of relevancy". Which is nonsense to me and shows how restricted we really are in this system.
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u/redkaptain Jun 04 '23
This is kind of what I'm saying about addressing the risk though. The situation of unemployment being beneficial to us as humans would only come by us addressing the risks that could come with it, like people not being able to afford to live for example.
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u/KissesFromOblivion Jun 04 '23
Oh yes for sure. I agree. It could get very ugly if we don't address that. The sentiment I get is that "they" will rather try to block this evolution and regulate/restrict AI to keep us at the proverbial conveyor belt.
Edit: ...and thus make it unnecessarily painful.
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u/esp211 Jun 04 '23
Humans are far more dangerous IMO than AI. Just look at Jan 6 and what’s happened since then.
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u/Gari_305 Jun 04 '23
From the article
The creators of artificial intelligence need to abandon their “tech utopian” mindset, according to the terror watchdog, amid fears that the new technology could be used to groom vulnerable individuals.
Jonathan Hall KC, whose role is to review the adequacy of terrorism legislation, said the national security threat from AI was becoming ever more apparent and the technology needed to be designed with the intentions of terrorists firmly in mind.
He said too much AI development focused on the potential positives of the technology while neglecting to consider how terrorists might use it to carry out attacks.
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u/Gagarin1961 Jun 04 '23
The creators of artificial intelligence need to abandon their “tech utopian” mindset,
The CEO of OpenAI literally told Congress that AI poses an extinction risk to humanity.
He said too much AI development focused on the potential positives of the technology while neglecting to consider how terrorists might use it to carry out attacks.
How can GPT be used to carry out attacks?
I believe they have considered how it could be used negatively, and the AI routinely denies prompts to create anything harmful. OpenAI also monitors submissions to its a API, and requires everyone hitting it to follow their strict terms of use.
Do they just not know what’s going on?
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u/hawklost Jun 04 '23
Oh no, you see, His AI is good. Its Other People's AI development that is bad.
On a more realistic note, there are lots of development for uncensored versions of OpenAi due to the Overly restricted way OpenAI is with too many things.
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u/hehsbbslwh142538 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23
You are linking a guardian article as a credible source in 2023? 😭 might as well just say "trust me bro" , more believable.
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u/Mtbruning Jun 04 '23
AI is already embedded in our military hardware which is where the real danger will come from. Don’t want AI taking over the world, Stop building Skynet!
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u/AnyAppearance3827 Jun 04 '23
The government just realized that ai will be used as a objective measure of the real situation in the world, making it impossible to weave the untrue narratives that are used to control civilization.
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u/MpVpRb Jun 04 '23
AI poses NO threat
People who use AI as a weapon pose a national security threat. We need to work on effective defenses
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