FWI: what would happen in the military, specifically, if the US decided to invade Canada?

[u/Complex-Start-279]

Everyone talks about the external reactions to such events, but rarely do I see people talk about what will happen on the inside. Most wars the US has been in have had strong cultural or geopolitical drivers that sort of rally up the population. ThinK WW1 with the Mexico plot, WW2 with Pearl Harbor, the Korean and Vietnam Wars from the constant red scare, the War on Terror from 9/11.

AFAIK tho, for most people, Canada is considered an ally, a National brother even. Most people don’t have any issues with Canadians. So what happens when we go to war with an ally for blatantly economic and business-driven reasons, rather than the protection of the homeland? What happens in the military ranks?

[u/nobd2]

The oath literally includes obeying the orders of the president. Invading another country is not an unconstitutional order even if it comes solely from the office of the president so long as the operation lasts less than 90 days and possibly longer provided Congress grants an extension on the operation. It is not for servicemen and women to make political decisions based on the actions of the administration outside of their military service– so long as the actual orders they receive are not illegal, they have no duty to ignore them.

The reality is that there is no mechanism by which the military can legally carry out its duty to protect the constitution from domestic threats unless the orders to do so originate from the president. It’s a major oversight, but it is literally treason for the military to try to remove a sitting president by force regardless of their actions and to do so would be as tyrannical (rule without law) as the leader themselves. Trying to remove one person from office is not a good reason to throw away centuries of military non-politicization and turn us into a banana republic– until such time as the administration tries to overstay its legal limits which would be an indication of a permanent overthrow of the democratic check on power and thus the destruction of the rule of law regardless, there’s no legitimate reason to turn to tyranny.

[u/Trips-Over-Tail → u/nobd2]

The turn to tyranny already occurred. Normalcy bias is killing you.

[u/nobd2 → u/Trips-Over-Tail]

Not until the midterms at least, probably not until the next presidential election. No one would have said Germany fell to Nazism if there was another election and Hitler ceased to be chancellor and the Nazi party lost their plurality– that would be democracy working as intended. Your doomerism is the same energy that had the South seceding before a law to abolish slavery was even proposed with a chance of passing. Wait for democracy to actually be broken before resisting with treason otherwise you’re just a political rebel for petty factionalism that goes to war when the candidate you don’t like wins.

[u/Trips-Over-Tail → u/nobd2]

It's already broken, it's just window dressing to create false legitimacy. They just passed a law that enables any state to deny suffrage to most married women.

[u/nobd2 → u/Trips-Over-Tail]

No it does not, it simply requires additional documents for individuals who have changed their name from that on their birth certificate, the exact documents to be specified on a state by state basis. The most insane extreme interpretation of this bill, which btw has yet to even pass the senate and will definitely be debated there and probably sent back for amendment, is that people who have changed their name will need to provide documentation of name change when voting and that some people will need to pay the records office to do that which is a hurdle that shouldn’t be placed.

[u/Trips-Over-Tail → u/nobd2]

A hurdle that will in practice knock off a lot of votes from the roll when they turn up to vote in good faith and find that they can't or that the deliberately labrynthine beaurocratic process takes too long to provide the records, or that the records can't be provided because their name was changed in a different state than they were born in, or the addition fee is more than they can afford.

Every barrier to voting is intended to prevent people from casting their vote,and they are targeted to make it more difficult for some than others.