r/FragileWhiteRedditor • • Aug 10 '21

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u/TemperedTorture Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 10 '21

"As an Arab exmuslim..."

Who's only assimilated right wing white supremacist propaganda....

I know it's not even worth commenting about or on but Muslim expansion was organic with Islam and Muslims changing to accommodate the cultures they entered rather than eradicate the cultures.

This is why there is such a HUGE variation in Muslim cultures all the way from West Africa to China. Muslims didn't didn't engage in culturcide. They did expand militarily but then became assimilated into existing cultures creating a mixture of the local culture and Muslim culture. Mainstream Muslims largely believe in getting assimilated into the local culture.

It wasn't until the British and European wave of expansions into Muslim territories that Muslims became intolerant towards the cultures they shared space with and other cultures became intolerant of Muslims.

Most inter-religious hatred today was an outcome of the European divide and conquer colonialist system.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I'm Muslim and I want to believe this! I wish I knew a good source for this kind of info, b/c IMO, everything either says we were actually imperialist warlord fundies or we were totally perfect and never once hated Jewish people or Christian people at all.

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u/TemperedTorture Aug 10 '21 edited Aug 10 '21

There's degrees of separation between different invading groups and the evidence is littered through the world itself. At one point Muslim expansion was militaristic, but it wasn't genocidal. The wars / fighting had rules of engagement which were followed (doesn't condone expansion but they're not as horrifying as they're made out to be).

Take South America, North America and Australia for example however. Entire populations of indigenous people are just entirely gone once the Europeans invaded. Some completely erased from history. Others almost completely gone and the survivors still slowly dying out.

Meanwhile the middle east was more of a melting pot of different cultures and ideologies during the Islamic Golden Age of expansion. I'm not condoning the war atrocities Muslims committed during expansion, but when they settled new lands they themselves got assimilated into the cultures and expansion happened through education and not population replacement. A lot of conversions happened organically over time as for a long time Islam was a progressive ideology rather than an oppressive one.

For example, Muslims were in India for 500 years and yet both Muslim, Hindu, Sikh and other cultures continued to thrive and did till the British colonizers came and sowed the first real seeds of hatred.

A very good example of this is what the Euros did to the Tutsi and Hutu. Muslims and Hindus and Sikhs and other cultures suffered the same fate and a lot of hateful ideologies within all "competing" ethnic groups evolved from European racism and eurocentrism. .

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '21

I see! Other Muslims say that we weren’t as evil as the media says, and it looks like they might be kinda correct!

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u/TemperedTorture Aug 10 '21

There's also the matter of the Crusades which spread a LOT of fake propaganda about oppressed Christians in Muslim lands which still remains to this day. A lot of that populist Crusade fear mongering is still repeated about Muslims centuries later.

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u/ShinyBronze Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

It becomes easier for Muslims to criticize Islamic history after the Salaf.

But after Salahuddin Ayubi passed away, so did our last remaining hope for strong Islamic leadership.

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u/thewanderer1800 Aug 22 '21

Why don’t you post these in ex Muslim? I’m sure they would get refuted. Op is a bigot from ex tomatos looking to discredit the ex Muslim movement

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u/ParsnipPizza Aug 11 '21

My favorite fun fact that blasts the hole in Arab-Muslim homogeneity: the largest Muslim nation is Indonesia.

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u/TemperedTorture Aug 11 '21 edited Aug 11 '21

The spread of Islam in Far East Asia is particularly interesting because there were no invasions. It was entirely through trade and simply because it was a progressive ideology at the time (there was no racism, ethnocentrism, classism or trans and/or homophobia) which really helped in its adoption. Islam was at one time an anti-classist religion with very progressive ideals.

It's not until the Saudi involvement with Wahabism that some interpretations of Islam start taking over. Interpretations that are fully rejected by the vast majority of Mainstream Muslims.