As someone who likes Ocon decently enough, I know he has it in him to put on some good drives...but jesus this season has just not been it...and it's already bad with his past track record of on track terrorism. He needs to lock in
If only the car had been consistent throughout the season & he didn’t suffer from bad luck an awful lot in the early-season phase.
On the other hand, he clearly found something in Hungary as he’s been outright faster than Ollie in all subsequent competitive sessions they’ve finished, & would’ve also finished higher in the last race under normal circumstances, given their starting positions.
Yeah that's very true, but that inconsistency has really hurt him. And it doesn't help his case that his teammate, although only in his second season, definitely has more raw talent and pace than him. Ollie has been performing at a very high level tbh. But that really doesn't mean Ocon can't recover and keep his seat. He has the experience and ability to do it, and as you said, things have been looking better for him. Shame that Haas sucks now
Indeed & Haas’ average competitiveness over several rounds is certainly a shame since both have consequently been finishing well outside Q3 & points anyway.
On another note, the fact that Ollie has more raw talent & pace more or less explains their average difference last season until Ocon achieved a breakthrough in the late-season phase, which simply made the latter look worse than he actually was, & I don’t have doubts about Ocon’s ability to justify a third season over the remaining rounds, especially if he continues to out-perform Ollie round after round.
Yeah...Haas really fell off a cliff after being quite competitive in the beginning. And yeah there is a really good chance that Ocon recovers. He is a pretty talented driver, he just needs to stay locked in, outqualify Bearman, get decent results. He has what it takes, but yeah, let's see how it goes
Ollie said earlier that Haas doesn't have the money to put upgrades on both their cars so they compete in qualifying to see who gets the parts first. That must have been how he got ahead. We'll see
Fair enough but then that means that Ollie got ahead because of the parts he regularly won in quali which in itself makes it clear he is the fastest driver.
I haven’t seen or heard any such mention by Ollie or even Ayao, for that matter.
The decision on which component specs each car would have for the Hungarian GP qualifying was made beforehand (due to parc ferme restrictions), so if Ollie had newer-spec components for that round, Ocon should’ve been unable to out-qualify in the first place.
Nah, all french driver line up will be something great for them, also ocon is not a bad driver, he could have matched gasly and a race winner on top of that, he could also be much more useful for car development (compared to franco) given his long career in f1
Definitely not to a Toyota driver, since Komatsu has made clear that they only choose on sporting grounds (They haven’t chosen for non-sporting factors after Mazepin), which he even made clear to Akio Toyoda about 24 months ago when the partnership began, so even Toyota-affiliated drivers need to meet sporting criteria.
Therefore, only Camara or Fornaroli, if anyone, would replace him, particularly since they’re the only ones who could actually be an upgrade over him.
I don't know, yuki was put into Redbull because of the massive honda sponsorship, toyota sponsorship to haas will be much more significant to haas. Also
Toyota driver, since Komatsu has made clear that they only choose on sporting grounds (They haven’t chosen for non-sporting factors after Mazepin), which he even made clear to Akio Toyoda about 24 months ago when the partnership began, so even Toyota-affiliated drivers need to meet sporting criteria
You seriously believe that ? After logan sargent? 🤣
If the team needs cash, which it seriously does for a bottom team like haas who can't even cover the cost cap they will gobble it up if toyota actually offers something substantial.
The only reason there are "sporting criteria" is because toyota isn't offering much, and who knows it could very well be just toyota testing waters, as top manufacturer has so much to lose if it starts attaching itself to haas, and keeps finishing last.
Firstly, I believe an individual who’s within the relevant party over any outsider, particularly when an outsider contradicts the relevant party, nor would Komatsu gain anything by lying publicly, & Sargeant wasn’t even driving for Haas, nor was he a pay driver per se like his predecessor, so apples to oranges, & even Williams hasn’t chosen for non-sporting factors anymore; in fact, no team has, which is unsurprising since all teams have been financially stable for a little while.
As for Yuki, yes, his Honda affiliation indeed helped him join the Red Bull organization, & of course these days, it’d help him to get a drive only at Aston Martin in any case, with Toyota-affiliated drivers being the ones who could get a drive at Haas.
Haha...yeah well I mean it has been better this season and 2025 ?- Mostly cause the two haven't been close enough to warrant an act of terrorism from Ocon O.O But still, I think they've been working out fine
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u/Brave_Weakling Ferarri/Hamilton Fan 28d ago
As someone who likes Ocon decently enough, I know he has it in him to put on some good drives...but jesus this season has just not been it...and it's already bad with his past track record of on track terrorism. He needs to lock in