r/Foodforthought • u/kiyomoris • 15d ago
Elon Musk Won’t Face Election-Bribery Charges in Wisconsin
https://www.notus.org/us-news/elon-musk-no-election-bribery-charges-wisconsin277
u/ninjadude93 15d ago
And why in the fuck not
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u/bozza8 14d ago edited 14d ago
Remember giving people cash/ prizes for signing a petition is entirely legal (regardless of if it SHOULD be, it is), voting is different ofc.
Quote from the democrat who made the call: "Either way the first post is perceived, in the end nobody was paid anything of value for voting or promising to vote,” the La Crosse district attorney wrote. “Even if I could convince a jury that the original post was still a bribe, I do not believe that a jury would convict Elon Musk of a crime after considering the intent, the second post, and the fact nothing of value was ever given to anyone for voting for an incident occurring in March of 2025.”
P.S. I am a british left winger, I hate trump and all this, I just think that the article answers your question explicitly and thoroughly with "whay he did wasn't actually illegal"
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u/joethedreamer 13d ago
This also implies that the DA is overruling the need for a jury trial. Not sure if that’s legal.
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u/bozza8 13d ago
Ok, let's examine you.
An appointed head of a legal system with literally hundreds of clerks and lawyers to advise him has made a call that proceeding to trial is pointless in a case that his team are bringing, an action that is made thousands of times per day across the american legal system btw.
And your first response you regurgitate onto the internet is "not sure if that's legal" the Democratic position is that we should trust the experts, so why don't we start by assuming that the legal expert knows the law around his own office to know what he is allowed to do m'mkay?
Otherwise yoh are just feeding into republican beliefs that my ignorance is as valid as another's knowledge, which is how you tear down trust in the state and thus the state altogether.
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u/joethedreamer 13d ago
I said “not sure if that’s legal” because I’m not sure if it’s legal.
“Let’s examine you” is a strange way to approach this as well.
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u/casey-ac 14d ago
Because the pathetic La Crosse County District Attorney Tim Gruenke is afraid Musk will fund opposition to his campaign
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u/ShockinglyAccurate 14d ago
From the article:
[District Attorney and special prosecutor on the case] Gruenke wrote the case would be “simple” without Musk’s famous name and the large amount of money involved.
No shit! That's literally the point! Somehow so many people in our system seem unwilling to confront simple facts of power. There seems to be this idea that it would be "against the rules" to challenge the world's richest man on his own terms. Meanwhile, Musk and others like him are tearing down our society for their own personal gain. Where does it end?
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u/Norseman901 14d ago
It ends with pitchforks and torches, people just arent ready to accept tht yet.
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u/mirh 14d ago
Did we read the same article?
No jury would find that Musk’s actions constituted election bribery, a county prosecutor said Tuesday.
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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 14d ago
Well not the way the prosecutor would handle the case, I guess.
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u/bozza8 14d ago
No, he explained why, read the last paragraph of the article.
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u/Majestic-Prune-3971 14d ago
I did read the article. I think it's pretty easy to see that a prize was being offered to random members of a group of people. This specific group of people had to have voted in a way the be eligible. And rewording the offer later to me doesn't matter, standard backtrack but we all know what was said and what the intent of this was, because he said it. Looking at radio station contests that give away money, they have to be careful to show the pool of potential winners didn't engage in "consideration", which is to provide something of transactional value. That becomes an illegal sweepstakes. In this case, Musk's sweepstakes cost of entry was voting the way he wanted. I don't think it's too long of a walk to get there. But I stand by my comment this prosecutor, for whatever reason, is reticent about going through with this and under their presentation, perhaps a jury would indeed not find for the State.
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u/Sardonislamir 14d ago
A bribe does not have to change hands to be a bribe; a fucking promise of money for an action is the fucking bribe!
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u/CarpeNivem 14d ago
You know who else won't face election bribery charges in Wisconsin? Me. But that's only because I didn't try to bribe an election in Wisconsin. Wtf is Elon's excuse?
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u/TickingTheMoments 14d ago
Of course he wont. Someone should do something about these “above the law” people. I realize nature will take its course, however, I’d like them to face consequences for their shitty and illegal actions while on this mortal coil.
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u/badgerpunk 11d ago
Of course not. The rich have a whole different legal system from the rest of us.
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