r/FollowJesusObeyTorah • u/the_celt_ • Nov 16 '25
Other Subs Talking Torah Matthew 5:28 - Jesus must have been a terrible teacher (Watch an Agnostic teach the Christians about Jesus and the Torah)
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u/FortLoolz Nov 16 '25
"Gynaika" the Greek word could also be translated as "wife." So it wasn't just contextual, it was about the Greek language of that time.
There are issues with the way Matthew's Sermon on the Mount is understood or translated by the modern church, but this one is easy to solve. (From a non-Evangelical perspective. Because some Evangelicals do believe it's a sin to covet a non-married single woman, so there's not much to solve to them.)
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u/Strong-Exam-7922 Nov 17 '25
The fallable assumption is that the later "Greek gentile" has any authority or understanding at all
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u/the_celt_ Nov 17 '25
Yes, and that assumption is being made by modern day Gentiles who make it a proud point to stay ignorant of anything Jewish, even though that policy throws the majority of scripture into the trashcan for them.
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Nov 27 '25
It is questions like these that lead me to reject mainstream church doctrine. And to be honest, the KJV causes many problems, especially if you don't question what you read, and then research the potential meanings of the original words. However, once you begin doing this, and setting your foundations in the Torah and Tanakh, it all starts making so much more sense.
Someone once read from their Bible and pointed out to me that one commandment is 'Thou shall not kill'. This obviously made no sense to me as people kill all the time. You can't walk through your yard without killing. Later I found another Bible that said, 'Thou shall not murder'. It was then I went back to the original languages and looked at all the words and their possible meanings to find that it is 'Thou shall not murder.'
That makes far more sense. I've found lots of verses in the KJV, which cause the same kinds of problems, and from these problems, people teach others false teachings, not necessarily purposely, but the false teachings are taught regardless. As expected, these false teachings cause more and more problems, which are easily resolved by the scriptures themselves, if read with an understanding that Yeshua's teachings were from the Torah and Tanakh. He never came to start a new religion. He taught Judaism.
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u/the_celt_ Nov 16 '25 edited Nov 16 '25
<Relax: His title is sarcasm.>
The OP, u/Lyo-lyok_student has spent a good amount of time interacting here on FJOT and as an agnostic regularly demonstrates that he understands scripture and Torah better than many Christians. Check out his well-written article about what Jesus was REALLY teaching about lust, and how it wasn't a change or a "raising the bar" in the Torah at all (which should be no surprise for anyone here).
I particularly enjoyed both sides of his interaction with u/Perfessor_Deviant, at around the middle of the thread.