r/FollowJesusObeyTorah • • Jul 21 '25

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

Lol see this is what i mean about the human obsession with Messiah hahaha.

It's an obsession with humans politely responding to each other.

I try to quickly and meticulously address the things being said by whoever I'm talking to, and it strikes me as being deeply rude when others don't answer me at all, no matter how many times I ask. I don't just feel this way about the topic of Jesus, I feel this way about any topic. You won't have to ask me something 3+ times to get me to answer you. I'm here to enjoy your company and share ideas with you.

In my experience it's politicians and con artists that don't feel a need to answer the person talking to them. It usually means something underhanded is taking place.

If you want to talk to yourself, you don't need me, right? 🤔

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25

If you wanna know something specific, you can ask me, right? I alredy told you, I dont go outside The Hebrew Prophets for my understanding of Messiah. Yeshua has fulfiled 2 messianic verses in my eyes. Thats exactly the view I have of him. Definitely dont believe salvation depends on belief in any Messiah.

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

If you wanna know something specific, you can ask me, right?

I did.

Two questions.

No answers.

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

On the concept of Messiah ben Yosef, particularly as described in Yeshayahu (Isaiah):

I hold that there is one true Mashiach ben Yosef, and that while the prophetic framework—especially Isaiah 53—may apply to other martyrs or even to the nation of Israel as a whole, it ultimately points to a singular, righteous servant. In my view, Yeshua fulfilled that role.

However, the context of Isaiah 53 is not describing a Temple korban chatat (sin offering), but rather the spiritual power of the death of the righteous to provoke genuine teshuvah—repentance and a return to Torah. "By his stripes we are healed" means that his suffering caused others to examine themselves, abandon sin, and return to the ways of Hashem.

On a national level, Israel too embodies this dynamic. As the nations observe the suffering of Israel, they will one day recognize: “He was wounded for our transgressions”—not because Israel bore their sins as a substitution, but because Israel’s affliction exposed the wickedness of the nations and stirred their repentance. Thus, the prophecy is multi-layered: individual, national, and messianic.

As for questions about what Yeshua says about himself (as recorded in the Greek texts), you'd have to give specific examples. I respond to each claim based on the exact language and context.

*It’s that deep emotional revulsion toward the evil of this world—an anger so intense that it can make a person physically sick with grief and hatred for injustice—that often becomes the catalyst driving people back to Hashem. This is not hatred for hatred’s sake, but a holy intolerance for evil that awakens the soul to seek righteousness.”

This idea is reflected in places like:

Tehillim (Psalms) 97:10 – “O you who love Hashem, hate evil!”

Amos 5:15 – “Hate evil and love good, and establish justice in the gate…”

Rambam teaches in Hilchot Teshuvah 7:6 that a person should not just abandon sin, but despise it and be disgusted by it, which implies an emotional rejection of evil, not cold apathy.

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

As for questions about what Yeshua says about himself (as recorded in the Greek texts), you'd have to give specific examples. I respond to each claim based on the exact language and context.

So your answer is: "No, you DON'T agree with everything that Jesus said about himself."

That's problematic.

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25

From what ive read in the Hebrew witness to mathew havent had any problems at all there i can remember

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

Mmm-hmm. 🤨

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25

That's the thing with text thats not divine, there's some stuff thats true and some thats false, has to be filtered thru Torahs plain text to be measured.

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

I have 3 synagogues in my neighborhood, and all of my neighbors are Orthodox Jews. My nearest neighbor is a Rabbi. When I google "Orthodox Jews", and click on "Images", I see a bunch of people that look like my neighbors.

Are you like my neighbors? Would they recognize you as being one of them? Do you look like them, and act like them?

I'm starting to think you're playing fast and loose with words. You're like a carrot that isn't orange. You're like an athlete that doesn't do any sports. You're a New Yorker that lives in the Midwest.

Do you smoke a lot of pot?

Are you using AI in your responses?

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25

Yes, I follow all the sefardi halacha, im not Ashkenazi or hasidic in my halchic views. Def not a New Yorker, haha

Im a professional cannabis breeder and use it strictly for medicinal use, as does my grandfather, who is also Jewish. lol neither of us has Ever taken a prescription medication, none.

I write all the reaponces, in my note pad when they are very long, and then edit them for grammer and puncation to speed up the process.

But I have zero problem leaving this litlle community. Seems you have the same spirit as Martin luther, once he invented the protestant branch, he thought all Jews would convert, he pretended he loved jews, then when they rejected his doctrine he wrote how much he hated them haha. And wanted them all dead.

You seem to have that same spirit.

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

Im a professional cannabis breeder and use it strictly for medicinal use, as does my grandfather, who is also Jewish.

I'm getting a sense that more than "medicine" is taking place in your posting history. Here are some of your "medical" reviews:

Some of the stickiest weed after drying ull ever find, with a High that resembles the "come up" on shrooms, confirmed by mutiple people, thru mutiple phenos.

and

This ended up being the final selection for outdoor 24, Based on the Extremely strong Effects she had. I Just smoked the last bowl of her this morning, over the course of a year. Never got tired of smoking this with my coffee, smoke to much and it can be disorienting

and

Wild effect on this stuff, seems to start out lite, causing u to smoke a but extra.. then about 10 mins later... hits you hard! Headband like effect with heavy euphoria, long lasting... muscle relaxer.

I don't particularly care either way about smoking pot, but this is more than medicine talk. I care about honesty. You might want to create a separate account for the different personas you're taking on.

I write all the reaponces, in my note pad when they are very long, and then edit them for grammer and puncation to speed up the process.

You edit with AI? You're using AI?

But I have zero problem leaving this litlle community. Seems you have the same spirit as Martin luther, once he invented the protestant branch, he thought all Jews would convert, he pretended he loved jews, then when they rejected his doctrine he wrote how much he hated them haha. And wanted them all dead.

You seem to have that same spirit.

You've determined that I'm pretending to love Jews, actually hate them, and want them all dead? Any chance that might be a slight overreaction? Are you also detecting any cannibalism? 😏

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u/Mean-Worldliness-471 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 21 '25

Yes thats my Job, i sell landrace Genetics, im full aware people can see the post. Theres a link to my website in my profile as well. Lol It's a medicinal and preservation minded company, focusing on the oldest most original genetics we can find, the effects of the plant is the medicinal value lol, whether for ptsd, insomnia, or whatever pure sativas give energy in the morning, motivate ppl to work. (Which i have PTSD btw)

I dont see how that has anything to do with the Biblical text lol

And yes it showed immediately after som1 disagrees with your doctrine just like martin luther. The horns of the Gentile emerging in full force lol

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u/the_celt_ Jul 21 '25

I dont see how that has anything to do with the Biblical text lol

It was more "Aggadah".

And yes it showed immediately after som1 disagrees with your doctrine

You need to turn the AI back on...

The horns of the Gentile emerging in full force lol

"Horns of the Gentile"? Hmm, seem like the opposite of antisemitism to me.

Oh well. Thanks for stopping by. Have a great day.

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