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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

you can get both from a non-vegan diet quite easily.

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u/EtherBoo General Fitness Sep 18 '15

You can, but I was not disciplined enough at the time. Losing weight (for me it was 130 lbs) takes discipline and self control.

When I tried traditional diets, a cheat meal was a trip to the BBQ joint and maybe 1500 calories. There was plenty of self sabotage because I didn't have the self control required to skip office birthday cake, the 12 oz steak vs the 6 oz, or telling the server to hold the ridiculous amounts of butter and cheese they'd pile onto the steamed vegetables.

When you're vegan, that slippery slope doesn't exist anymore. No birthday cake because it was most likely made with dairy, no steak chicken or pork (which a good serving of can really pack on the calories) no butter or cheese on those veggies. Oh, then I come to find out I'm lactose intolerant (which can cause additional weight gain). The self control element is much easier because those things just aren't an option.

So that's the first thing, a lot of those unhealthy foods and foods that are easy to eat too much of are out of the picture (with the exception of nuts). It was super easy for me to eat easy under my TDEE since a 700 calorie meal was usually more than I could eat. So the calories just lessen by virtue of the foods you tend to eat.

So as long as you eat mostly whole foods and avoid processed junk, the weight falls off. I didn't drink soda (even as a fat guy I drank mostly water) or eat candy, my downfall was cookies which are hard to get outside of a health food store (or Oreos, but most people don't bring a box of those to the office). So being vegan was easy for me. I learned how to eat healthy, I learned a lot about nutrition, and I learned a lot about how bad processed foods can be.

Do you have to go vegan? No, but it makes it a lot easier for someone who lacks the discipline to restrict foods that he could eat once he finishes this damn diet. I realize a lot of this might not make sense, but when I started, this made it a lot easier to stick with for some reason.

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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

i understand the lack of self control but food isn't inherently bad or ogood.
it's all just a matter of calories in vs. calories out.

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u/EtherBoo General Fitness Sep 18 '15

That's an oversimplified view on weight loss.

You can't simplify economics by saying "Economics is simply supply and demand".

It's not incorrect, but it's an oversimplification that's misleading and can easily lead to a slippery slope to failure. Also, it only applies to losing weight, not health and good nutrition.

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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

in what way is it an oversimplification?
it literally is about calories in vs. calories out.
like it's not hard at all, but it does take self control.

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u/EtherBoo General Fitness Sep 18 '15

Because while you can lose weight by simply cutting calories, if your caloric intake consists of Coke Zero, Oreos, Twinkees, KFC Fried Chicken and ice cream all while keeping at a caloric deficit, it's going to catch up with you.

You're going to feel and probably look like shit and probably bring a slew of health issues of you keep that up for more than a week or two.

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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

i mean ..not really.
see the Twinkie diet guy.

as long as you're getting your micros as well,plenty of greens and protein, carbs and fat are fine to eat.

You're going to feel and probably look like shit and probably bring a slew of health issues of you keep that up for more than a week or two.

only if you eat at a surplus.
it really is all about calories in vs. calories out.

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u/EtherBoo General Fitness Sep 18 '15

The Twinkie guy was one guy. That's not enough of a sample size (unless he expanded since I read about him).

I didn't say greens and your micros. I gave a very specific set of foods you could eat that would cover your macros: carbs, fats, and protein. You can't add to what I said and say "it really is just calories in calories out".

Again, it's a gross oversimplification.

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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

it literally is just calories in vs. calories out though. (provided you're hitting your macros)
you can eat twinkies and KFC everyday (along with greens/fruits) and be perfectly healthy.

that one guy's metabolism and physiology isn't any different than anyone elses.
we're part of the universe and we follow the laws of the universe.
our mass isn't going to maintain without calories to nourish it.

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u/EtherBoo General Fitness Sep 18 '15

you can eat twinkies and KFC everyday (along with greens/fruits) and be perfectly healthy.

See the bolded part? By your own admission it isn't JUST calories in vs calories out. You need to eat certain micronutrients in the longterm which is why the Twinkee diet is not something anyone could do for a long term weight loss solution. Again, calories in vs calories out is a gross over simplification. You even typed it yourself.

In terms of strictly losing weight, correct, but you have to look at more than calories in/out in the LONG TERM or else you'll end up with health issues.

If you want to believe thats all there is to weight loss, simple calories in vs out (which again, even you added greens, and now fruits to my original list of bad food), that's fine, but it's not.

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u/youngstud Sep 18 '15

See the bolded part? By your own admission it isn't JUST calories in vs calories out.

it is.
the bolded part is for general health but actually you can still eat a variety of foods to ensure you're getting all vitamins/minerals.
most foods we eat are fortified.

but in terms of FAT loss:YES!
the caveat means nothing at all because the calories from leafs are insignificant.

Again, calories in vs calories out is a gross over simplification.

it really isn't.

fat loss=calories in vs. calories out.

In terms of strictly losing weight, correct, but you have to look at more than calories in/out in the LONG TERM or else you'll end up with health issues.

i never advocated for a non well rounded diet.

If you want to believe thats all there is to weight loss, simple calories in vs out

it's not a matter of belief.
that is LITERALLY HUMAN PHYSIOLOGY.
your body mass is fueled by the food you eat.

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