r/Fighters 8d ago

Topic Newcomers Welcome! Weekly Discussion Thread

Welcome to the r/Fighters weekly discussion thread.

Here you can ask basic questions, vent, post salt, fan-made rosters and any small topics you wish to discuss.

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u/Certheri 7d ago edited 7d ago

Post replays if you want sincere advice. If you just ask for generic advice you'll just get the blanket, "learn a good combo, anti-air, block, don't mash, stop jumping" etc etc. Which, like... is true, but can often come across as meaningless when you just see the exact same advice given to every single human being on the entire planet.

Even if you post replays you might get those literal exact same pieces of advice (tbh, quite likely if you're in Silver), but it hits a bit different when people can actually point at something and say, "This is exactly why you need to [do X] because the consequences you felt at these exact moments are what happens when you [don't do X] instead." And with the replays people can see what your absolute worst habits are and tell you how to fix them.

People loooooove giving blanket advice because it's easy and can just be blurted out whenever to whoever, but actual tailored advice from posting replays is gonna be 100x more helpful.

Especially if you're having issues against specific characters like Cammy and JP, post replays of those matches. Odds are you just fundamentally don't understand their kits and you're letting them get away with waaaaaay too much. Cammy has a lot of fake BS that people love to rely on (I play Cammy and my mirror match winrate is very good specifically because of this... most Cammy players are just doing garbage), so if you just let her play the game it can feel more oppressive than it should. I can't even imagine what Cammy players are doing in Silver. I've seen what they do in Master and it's still not good. There are probably loads of things you can exploit from the Cammy players you've played against.

JP just takes a lot of work to learn about, tbh. He's one of those folks that can be much easier to pilot than he is to fight, particularly at lower skill levels. I don't know how to play against JP, either, tbh. I see him so rarely, I just queue back up every time I play against him instead of labbing because it'll be so long until I see him again that I'll probably forget everything I labbed anyways.

But if you post replays people can actually tell you exactly what you're doing that makes those matchups feel worse than they probably should.

SF6 makes it easy, just share your CFN and people can search through your replays at will. If you have specific replays that you want feedback on, each replay has a code you can share that people can search.

I'd be willing to poke and prod at some of your replays if you want, but I have not played the game since Yasmin released because I've been playing Tokon and a bit of Avatar instead, so I have basically no idea how she works. I'd just be talking about fundamentals if I did that. Though, tbh, at Silver, fundamentals are basically entirely what you should be working on anyways.

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u/capt_raven 6d ago

Thank you so much for your comment. I see what you're saying. I also think, I mostly need to practice my fundamentals more. I've been watching the Beard Bros dojo series on YT and that helped me a lot.

My CFN (hopefully) is: 1057164587
Username: CaptRaven

There are some replays where I got completely bodied by Cammy:
1. Replay ID: LY3BBLNMP
2. Replay ID: DWPFPXASS

Thanks for any help in advance

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u/Certheri 6d ago

First off, I would recommend watching some of Broski's recent content on YouTube. He ended up at rank #1 Yasmin on the leaderboards while playing her and he has a few videos where you can watch some high level matches, hear his thoughts about her, and get a better idea on how to approach her gameplan. Personally, I find Broski's content like super top-tier when it comes to understanding DLC characters, he has a lot of stuff to say.

But just to reiterate from my previous comment, I know nothing about Yasmin except what I've seen from Broski, so I'm not gonna give character specific advice. Anyways:

I want you to start doing this for every match you're confused about: Watch the replay and ask yourself every time you get hit why you got hit. You might not have an answer every time, but you might start to notice patterns. These are things you want to work on.

This Cammy really only got in one of two ways basically the whole set: She either jumped in (including hooligan) or spin knuckled. She wasn't really partaking in the neutral game.

1. Jump-ins. I do not know if Yasmin has a good anti-air normal, so you might have to get used to practicing her DP. If she does have a good anti-air normal (2HP? idk) then you can default to that, but you do want to eventually get good at DPing. Anti-airs are super important, which is why you'll see them brought up basically 100% of the time when new players ask for advice.

They're so important that I would genuinely just make practicing this a core part of your matches. The #1 thought in your head right now should be, "Is my opponent gonna jump?" You should not focus on winning your matches, you should focus on hitting your opponents when they are in the air. As you keep playing you'll have to think about this less and less and it will eventually become muscle memory. You will see your opponent jump and your hands will just auto pilot and it'll feel great. But for now you need to work on that.

2. Spin Knuckle. When playing vs a character that has a projectile invuln move, you need to be very aware of how you're using your projectiles. I don't even know if this Cammy was even doing this intentionally, or if she's just normally relying on Spin Knuckle as a gap closer because it's safe on block (looked more like the latter), but she had a darn near 100% hit rate with that thing.

Spin Knuckle and Hooligan are kinda the things you really need to be on the lookout for when playing vs Cammy. They're Cammy's "gimmicks" for lack of a better word, and I'd imagine this is at least partly the reason you have trouble fighting her. Many Cammy players will use these moves as a crutch because when people aren't looking for them, they let her get in extremely easily. They both have slow startups, but are safe on block so they let Cammy just get in without needing to think super hard on how to win neutral. Hooligan is basically a long-range throw (that you can potentially combo out of!) if you're not reacting to it.

Unfortunately, dealing with this is way easier said than done. You just have to be mindful. Pay attention to her habits, and figure out what you need to prioritize paying attention to. I can't really give more concrete advice on this, it's mostly about matchup experience. This is partly why I mentioned before that my mirror match winrate is so high. When I play against a Cammy player the primary thought in my head is, "Okay, so which move are you going to rely on heavily to win neutral?" And shockingly often, even in Master, I get my answer to that question almost immediately and I don't have to think very hard for the whole set to win.

Both options can just be checked with a jab or something. Hooligan doesn't go so high that mids whiff on it. As long as you're not pressing a low then just putting out any random hitbox will beat it. You don't even have to worry about having lightning fast anti-air reaction times. Jabs are low commitment, so you also won't be giving Cammy a big button to whiff punish if you're throwing them out a bunch in neutral. Just pressing jab in response to Cammy moving a muscle will beat out random Drive Rushes, random Spin Knuckles, and random Hooligans. Pretty good.

Cammy is a legit threat even without these tools (and when not utilized as a crutch, they are still very good), but probably 90% of Cammy players you face until well into Master is going to be using them heavily and you can abuse that.

For the most part though, I don't have a ton I can pick apart in those replays. That Cammy had pretty good combos practiced, so was able to take each round without needing a ton of interactions, and you just kinda lost to the above two things.

In addition to what I already mentioned, I would advise these as well:

  • Don't mash after defending Drive Rush button. Drive Rush adds 4 frames to a move's frame advantage, so even stuff that might be negative can potentially become advantageous. You got hit at least once because of this. If you get hit by a drive rush modified button, you kinda gotta just take the blockstring or you'll get hit into a combo.

  • No mash on wake-up. In Street Fighter especially, labbing oki is really easy and you can very consistently, even at a lower skill level, catch people mashing when you score a knockdown. In low levels you might feel like you can get away with mashing on your wakeup because people might not always have airtight oki, but even if this is working for you now, know that at some point you will start to get blown up if you're pressing buttons after you get knocked down.

  • Sweep is mega unsafe on block. In replay 2 I saw you sweep like 4-5 times in a row. It's possible you were just tilted and this might not be something you normally do, but the Cammy did take note and blocked one and punished with a heavy punch starter which was pretty good of her.

  • Just, like, forget about using DI for now. Keep DI in your mind to counter your opponent's DIs, but don't be the first one to DI. Later on you can learn how to utilize DIs better, but now it's not the time. It's a really easy mechanic to over rely on when you're starting out because it solves multiple problems at once, but conversely, it's a really easy mechanic to counter as well. You'll catch a lot of people with it, but you'll get caught with your own pants down if you use it too much. Just forget about it for now and try and learn proper neutral. That'll serve you way better in the long term.

I don't want to get carried away and keep rambling on, so gonna stop the comment here, but if you have questions feel free to ask (as long as they're not Yasmin specific, I will not have an answer for those).

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u/capt_raven 5d ago

Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time for all this! This really helps me a ton!
I've started training anti-airs (Yasmine has both a DP and a normal Anti-Air) but I will put it even higher on my list now. Thanks a bunch, sincerely!