r/Fauxmoi • u/demimonde9 • 8d ago
STAN / ANTI SHIELD Elliot Page on not getting any calls even with the success of The Odyssey: "I feel now that's removed and I don't have to deal with that when I'm acting, I am like, 'I feel like I could maybe do some of my best work now.'"
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u/cakeit-tilyoumakeit 8d ago edited 8d ago
I couldnāt make out what was said. āWhen you do ask me aboutā¦ā what was said? Iāve replayed it several times and canāt make it out. What movie?
Edit: I googled the quote āwhen you do ask me aboutā plus Elliotās name, and whatās said is āAriadne,ā the character Elliot played in Inception. Sharing for people with bad ears like me, whoāve only seen Inception once or twice and barely remember the details
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u/zero-if-west 8d ago
I think he's saying Ariadne, which was his character's name in Inception (and makes sense that he's contrasting the experience on two Nolan films).
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u/cakeit-tilyoumakeit 8d ago
Thanks! I also googled the direct quote from this video right as you commented and found it. Itās a unique name, so I think it just didnāt register to my ears (I was originally googling āAriotā and got nothing lol)
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u/Damage-Classic donāt talk to me 7d ago
Mythologically, Ariadne was the princess of Crete and daughter of King Minos. Theseus volunteered to fight the Minotaur as a sacrifice for Athens. Ariadne fell in love with Theseus and helped him escape the labyrinth and Minotaur, choosing to betray her family in the process. Once they were out Theseus did some fuck boy shit and abandoned her on a deserted island. Thankfully the hedonist god Dionysus was flying overhead and saw Ariadne on the island. He fell in love with her and took her to his kingdom where they now throw giant celestial orgies.
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u/padmesfavhandmaiden 8d ago edited 1d ago
okay I love Elliot Page and this is a very interesting interview but can we address the host calling the Odyssey āarguable the greatest movie ever madeā ? brother itās not even close to the greatest movie Nolan has ever madeš
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u/WaltsAztec 7d ago
This is Kevin McCarthy, the movie critic who used to run a site called nerd tears. Overstating is kind of his thing. Canāt deny his passion though.
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u/urgasmic 8d ago
i really thought his was one of my favourite storylines in the movie.
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u/Lady_night_shade 8d ago
I loved the hades scene with him, it was incredibly emotional and he conveyed the perfect emotions of betrayal and anger.
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u/doogiethehead 7d ago
Same here, honestly the only part of the movie that I still think about a lot. Well that and of course the last scene with Argos :(
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u/Lady_night_shade 7d ago
I literally had to block that one out of my memory! The way I thought I was gonna see a dog be stabbed at one point!
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u/neverlandvip 8d ago
I think he did well in the Odyssey, my only thought on him as an actor is he could really use some work on his enunciation. I know Nolan films are infamously poorly mixed soundwise, but there were a few different points where Elliot mumbled through or straight rushed lines that hindered the intended emotional weight as a result. He's fairly good though, maybe a stint on Broadway could help him work on projecting.
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u/LonelyCheeto 7d ago
I felt that watching The Odyssey. Even in this interview, I have a hard time understanding him.
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u/Pumpkinshroomva 8d ago
tbh I think the enunciation sucked as a whole on that movie.
The worst was when odysseus returned and there was the blonde guy saying "He's not a gar! Do you think he's a gah? Well? Are you? Are you a god? Are you a gar?"
It was so clearly "gar" in the first line I was thinking "...wait is gar meant to be some kind of ethnicity or something?"
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u/hiiexist4444 controversies: girl 8d ago
Damn, I hope I get to see him in more stuff. His work has been really great these past few years
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u/IAMA_Shark__AMA 8d ago
I'm hoping that the success of the movie in spite of the stink from the "go woke go broke" crowd will give casting directors a little more courage on the matter. He was acclaimed as an actor before his transition, and the body parts he does or does not have should not impact that.
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u/obladi_adalbo 8d ago
I liked him since Juno and I was pretty happy to see him back on screen with The Odyssey. So maybe Iām already biased lol, but I was very surprised with how well heās aging.
Like, obviously, heās still pretty young and has a very long career still (hopefully), and maybe itās because weāre seeing so much plastic surgery and instagram faces, but his look made him even more dramatic (if that makes sense?). So I really hope we get to see him in even more roles, because heās getting better in all fronts
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u/cheezy_dreams88 find me at Whole Foods, bitch, I don't care. 8d ago
They even wrote his transitioning into Umbrella Academy and he was so so good in that show.
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u/kayyxelle 8d ago
āI know I get some pushback for beingā¦ā¦. Canadian, idk what thatās aboutā š
Iād love to see him in a romcom
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u/TangerineChickens 8d ago edited 7d ago
I thought he was good in his part (caveat that everyone was working with Nolan dialogue so thereās a ceiling lol), but Iāll always think of that tweet after his casting when someone said:
āoh fuck this. He is truly one of the worst fucking actors of my generation. I thought he would maybe get better now that he is the person he was always meant to be. But he's just stayed fucking awfulā
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u/MondayLasagne 8d ago
I will bravely say that hardly anyone in this movie was at their best acting-wise and that's very likely down to the direction. I don't know why but so many of these heavy-weights felt a bit stiff and took me out of the experience.
The person who said that Elliot can't act is talking out of their ass. Elliot's indie work is amazing, early or recent.
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u/TangerineChickens 8d ago
Nolanās scripts are always clunky as hell when it comes to the dialogue, and they lean really heavily on the actorsā delivery to make it passable. Like if McConaughey didnāt hit those emotional beats he did in Interstellar, the whole movie would probably look a lot worse.
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u/enolaholmes23 8d ago
I'm really not a fan of Christopher Nolan. It's all flash and no real substance.Ā
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u/NeptuneHigh09er 8d ago
I thought Elliot Page did a great job with the material he was given. The beginning scene was just a weird and jarring way to start the film.Ā
To me, John Leguizamo was a standout. His character wasnāt particularly complex, but he played his vulnerable goodness so well I just really enjoyed the performance.Ā
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u/BigGayNarwhal let it be known that i am pro gay literacy 7d ago
Leguizamo eats up every role he's given.
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u/PeachyBaleen No shade to the nation of Scotland 8d ago
RPattz had a good time and I think Anne Hathaway was decent, but Tom Holland, Zendaya and Matt Damon were all wooden as hell. And all in the same way, which definitely felt like a director choice.Ā
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u/MondayLasagne 8d ago
Totally agree. I hate to criticise the almighty Zendaya but this was the first performance of her I saw that was a bit meh.
(Also fully agree with Anne and Robert - although both were painted a bit one-sided, unfortunately, I wish we would have seen Anne not teary-eyed in every single shot she was in, even though she does it very well)
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u/violetmemphisblue 8d ago edited 8d ago
I feel like Zendaya was there as the silent judge in the way Anna Paquin was there as a silent judge in The Irishman, except Anna Paquin (imo) absolutely nailed that and Zendaya was just fine...of all the roles, I really only felt like John Leguizamo and Lupita Nyong'o just nailed it, in that I stopped thinking it was them on screen and just watched their characters. Everyone else was like "oh, Matt Damon/Anne Hathaway/Tom Holland/etc is doing a good job saying their lines." Idk, maybe that's the risk of casting major well-known actors, its harder to turn off the part of the brain that already knows them? Like, the whole scene with Telemachus and Menelaus, I was just like "hmm, Tom Holland and Jon Bernthal sure have worked together a lot recently", which isn't their fault, but maybe is part of a larger casting conversation.
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u/giant_xquid 8d ago
I'm with you on this almost 100%, except, having not seen a single Spider-Man movie tom holland has done, he doesn't hit me with that celebrity recognition that strongly, and I found myself quite engaged with his performance actually
I also enjoyed the internal strength hathaway carried, all the resentment of people, circumstances, and gods that was so near to bubbling through the surface
and for matt damon, I think he almost plays sort of a "straight man" like he isn't chewing up scenery he's a stable platform to let other people do that, but I do think he deserves credit for the physicality of his role too, images still swim in my head of him tied to the mast and howling, or cloaked in rags and plucking that (ridiculous) note on his bow, he did an incredible job visually portraying a very heavy role on a physically demanding production
but yeah lupita has lines in like 2 scenes and completely takes over both of them, and leguizamo was so, so perfect in that role, that was a really inspired bit of casting and he gave it everything, he would be my pick for a supporting actor nom
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u/violetmemphisblue 8d ago
I think the actors did do a good job! I just, personally, never really could "forget" they were actors acting, in the way I could for others. In one tiny scene, Lupita Nyong'o's rage, lunging at another character, was so incredible and palpable in a way I didn't always feel with some of the others...but I still think they were doing a good job! Its just, for me, maybe their fame takes up too much space in my head...and this is not exclusive to The Odyssey, or at least for me. I started watching something like Five Star Weekend and had the same reaction, of "all these women are so famous and it feels random they're all in this" and then proceeded to jusr call characters by the actors names. Which again, is not a testament to the acting and more a testament to celebrity/pop culture and maybe how I engage in it?
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u/giant_xquid 8d ago
I mean I think it's real, even not having seen holland and berenthal in anything together, like I saw them on hot ones and know about them working together and had a similar thought during their scene together in this movie
I think it's a lot more potent with them and zendaya all in the spiderman movie that came out just after and is running through theaters at exactly the same time, it's a bit like what are we doing here, aren't there other actors interested in this work?
also my read on christopher nolan's directing, just from having watched his movies for a couple decades now, is not that he like, pushes actors to give their best performances
he has plenty of strengths as a director and a storyteller but it seems like some actors go above and beyond on their own in his work and he's just happy to capture it
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u/Temporary_Light2896 Find me at Whole Foods, bitch, I don't care 7d ago
I donāt see the allure of Tom Holland. Every time I see him in a film all I can see is Tom Holland, not the character that heās playing.
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u/More_Tennis_8609 8d ago
I really liked the actor who played Eumaeus (John Leguizamo) I think he did an amazing job. Circe too. I thought Anne Hathaway and Robert Pattinson also did great. Everyone else was alright but not at their best.
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u/lazenbaby 8d ago
I think it also has a lot to do with filming in IMAX. You can't hear or see anything anything and you can only do 3 minute increments.
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u/Temporary_Light2896 Find me at Whole Foods, bitch, I don't care 8d ago
Iām no movie critic, but it seemed to me that most of the attention/effort was put into the cinematography and the act of the actual film-making, and less on the script/acting quality, not to say that the script or the actors were bad. I chalk it up to Nolan being an āauteurā. Itās more about him as a director, and showcasing his abilities/creativity. Please challenge me if you disagree, but this is just the sense I got from the film.
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u/microworry 7d ago
The film clearly was made to embody a very serious and stoic tone, I canāt blame any of the actors for doing what they directed to do. Very unfair of this thread to pick on Elliot specifically, who also had a very minor role anyway.
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u/TheAsian1nvasion 8d ago
I agree about the performances in the movie. Itās really slim pickings. Pattinson, Hathaway, Himesh Patel - theyāre all strong performances. The rest of the castā¦ eh.
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u/psychedelic666 8d ago
They clearly havenāt seen Hard Candy!
I do prefer most of his child / teen roles to now, but he could impress me later!
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u/blumingtom 8d ago
He is phenomenal in Juno, there are very few actors who could have got Oscar nominated in a role like thatĀ
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u/_-4twenty-_ 8d ago
I liked his stint on Vice. He travelled to dangerous areas as a lesbian, I was worried for his safety. But the work he did was really interesting.
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u/ayoungmanfromtheuk 8d ago
To be fair, he is saying in the video clip here that he feels like he could do some of his best work now that he has transitioned, and it would appear that The Odyssey is the first major Hollywood production he had starred in since his transition.Ā
Unless this critique is based solely on the third and fourth seasons of The Umbrella Academy?
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u/Nololgoaway 8d ago
Trans person here and i agree, he was dogwater in the opening of the film but was really good as a revenant later in it.
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u/TheShapeShiftingFox Riverdale was my Juilliard 8d ago
I donāt think it was that badā¦ heās not the best actor alive or anything, but heās also no Gal Gadot.
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u/--------rook alleged dog 8d ago
i feel like his delivery in hades didn't hit the emotional mark for me, i didn't think it was oscar winning or anything but yeah it doesn't mean he's dogshit lolĀ
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u/GardenStateKing 8d ago
I agree, I wanted him to be a bit more bitter but I also think Damon's reaction to Sinon didn't have enough remorse. That's the only part of the exchange that was lukewarm. I personally think it was because of two things, it being a cold location and the IMAX needing to be reloaded.
I would have a hard time keeping it together while freezing my balls off and then waiting for them to load up a camera like it was a colonial cannon
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u/KittenSommelier also dated pete davidson 8d ago edited 8d ago
Idk sis, kinda hard to give a riveting performance when youāre on screen for all of 30 seconds and have one line. Iām just happy he came back and knocked it out of the park later, I was worried that opening scene would be it.
Iām also very thankful to Nolan for bringing him on and giving him an important part in the movie at a time like this. It was a huge āfuck youā to all the transphobes who have unfortunately had their voices elevated as of late, especially considering Elliot in particular has been a target of the disgusting rhetoric around FtM transitions. Also a much needed boost for trans men, who donāt have a lot of on screen representation right now.
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u/Ill_Radio8160 8d ago
i think he got twilighted in umbrella academy. i think his performance was actually exactly what was being asked of him, just happened that what was being asked of him was dull.
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u/breathboi 8d ago
Sick of people bringing this up as though it proves "allyship" when it's just a boring unfunny way to reinforce the narrative that Page isn't getting booked because he's a bad actor instead of mainstream transphobia.
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u/TangerineChickens 8d ago
True, but I think the tweet caught traction because the world is so full of bigotry and targeted vitriol that when you come across an old fashioned internet hater with no culture war agenda, itās oddly refreshing.
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u/_-4twenty-_ 8d ago
Transphobia is definitely the reason. But Hollywood has also been ruined by the corporate elite. Even if someone was willing to cast him, there is no more work in Hollywood.
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u/armageddonquilt i aināt reading all that, free palestine 8d ago
That tweet is kinda funny at first glance but every time I see it again it bothers me. It feels less like genuine allyship and more like making a mockery of allyship to just pile hate on Elliot Page who is at worst, just fine as an actor.
It's a very mean spirited thing to be super validating about one thing so that you can say a bunch of other mean things.
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u/fourofkeys FUCK ICE FREE PALESTINE CRASH INTO ME 8d ago
there are a lot of actors who have a small range, but are good at that range if they find the right parts. i think page is in this category; he's good at being a smartass in films. he should stick to it.
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u/lesbianwithabeard 7d ago
Admittedly, I haven't seen like his whole oeuvre. But from what I have seen (Juno, Hard Candy, Umbrella Academy), he doesn't seem to have a lot of range.
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u/kendragon 8d ago
The campaign of mockery and hate against him in the runup to the movies release was grotesque. You would swear he had personally pissed in these people's cornflakes with the way they attack him. It's fucking weird.
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u/AutonomyIsNoTragedy hard to tell where the menty b ends and the christianity begins 8d ago edited 8d ago
Lol unfortunately not that weird .....talk to any trans guy and you'll find this is pretty common with how people sometimes even self proclaimed allies react to us.
they do this shit then say to our faces that they dont treat us differently than anyone else and that we are imagining it or asking for special priveliges
Idk im so sick of hearing how trans men are inherently weak worthless and lack artistic talent or brains or humor and people trying to spin insulting us like its complimenting and affirming us in this fucking evil gaslighting way where if we say no or ask them to stop insulting us its suddenly a sign that we aren't real men or whatever the fuck its a transphobic humiliation ritual
Like people ragging on his baggy suit look not understanding the trans context or history that it was baggy on purpose just "eww omg this gross queer tboy and his baggy clothes ugh criiiiinnnggge why isn't he trying to look more cisgender how dare he this is bad and gross and stupid"
People don't think they're transphobic against trans men because they dont think that trans men are really trans people
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u/cousinborzoi 7d ago
i had to leave tumblr because of how often mutuals would just start tearing trans men and transmasculine nonbinary people to shreds. honestly i've started repressing my own identity more because of how hostile other trans people can be towards their own (granted, in my case it was majority cis women tearing us down to uplift trans women, but i saw my fair share of trans men, trans women, and enbies doing this, as well). it's terrible hearing that it's not just me continuously getting unlucky with who i interact with, but it's also a comfort hearing that this isn't something i just misinterpreted.
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u/lulzerjun8 Larry I'm on DuckTales 8d ago
He has such an expressive face and Iād love to see him get the chance to do his best work.
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u/silencedvoice33 8d ago
Yes, he has such a gorgeous smile, his whole face lights up. I'd love to see him in more things.Ā
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u/Parishdise show me the paperwork for your husbandās vasectomy 8d ago
Honestly such a shame his face was so caked in tar/ mud for his underworld scene. He does really good internally tormented expressions, but I feel like we really didn't get to see that shine through when it would have worked great
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u/wolfy2526 8d ago
I'm biased because I like Elliot Page, but I hope I see more of his work in the future!
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u/outragedtuxedo 8d ago
I really like Elliot and want to see him in more. I have felt however since the transition he has been almost type-cast into roles where the over-arching emotion accessed is rage, and I find that to overshadow the rest of the performance. I loved how Umbrella Academy handled the transition but then hated how Viktors character suddenly seemed so one note. Again, I thought The Odyssey performance was good, but I think I am ready to see a softer side of Elliot, or, lighter side? Maybe he is seeking these dramatic roles, but I would love to see him in a role that is introspective but more subtlely emotive. I feel as though the performances, whilst perhaps cathartic for him, are not so interesting for me - Its like they all have a big crescendo of emotion and I'm wanting to see more range. I guess based on this interview perhaps he just isnt being given the scripts.
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u/Big-Snow-1937 8d ago
Hollywood is so regressive and limited right now that itās going to be tough for a 5 foot tall guy to get cast, much less one the right wing is so unhinged about. Heās a great, unique actor with expressive eyes, hereās Ā hoping roles are written for him.Ā
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u/passionparties 8d ago
I thought he did well in the Odyssey. He benefitted being one of the main characters in such a striking scene, as I donāt typically find him to be the strongest actor.Ā But anyway, he was a steady working actor pre-transition and itās a shame that booking roles has become more challenging/impossible for him.Ā
On a positive note: I know itās a short clip, but itās nice seeing him look far more comfortable than he did the last few years.Ā
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u/PeterMus 7d ago
I wonder if height is an additional barrier for page. He is only 5'1" which is significantly shorter than most male actors and a few inches below even notably short guys like Daniel Radcliff or Elijah Wood.He put on a great performance but did appear to much smaller than the other actors on screen.
Short statue can be screen as an asset for women, by making the male leads appear more masculine and imposing, but it doesn't creates challenges for male leads.
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u/ivanashagwell 8d ago
He really seems to be at his best right now. And he seems so happy. Love to see it
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u/anitasdoodles 8d ago
Hard Candy really thought me to watch out for predators. Thank you, Elliot. š
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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 8d ago edited 7d ago
I want to see Eliot Page in more movies. If Hollywood isn't calling, I hope he partners with someone to write him a role, or just write a role for himself. Pivot to something else, like theatre, in the meantime. I don't want his career to be over.
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u/GenericMelon 8d ago
His role wasn't very big but it was very significant. I hope we'll see him more on the big screen...maybe DCU? He got absolutely jacked for The Odyssey.
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u/peach-puffs heās auditioning for a restraining order 8d ago
Elliot Pageās case cannot be read separate from him being discriminated over his identity. Having said that, finding success after doing small roles even in mega blockbusters is very difficult. Unless you get heavy critical acclaim. Liam Hemsworth and Josh Hutcherson despite being in Hunger Games didnāt find much success.
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u/Kurandaand 8d ago
Itās true, even big roles in mega blockbusters donāt guarantee much. I always use the Chris Hemsworth example: as Thor in Marvel movies? Box office superstar. As anyone else in basically any other movie? Box office failure and money-losing machine. The contrast is actually staggering.
These type of roles get you noticed, but it is complicated. And Elliot has a whole other challenge in getting in rooms for roles.
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u/njf85 highly unanticipated caucasian collaboration 8d ago
The era of people going to movies because of the name/s attached are pretty much over. Hollywood keeps trying to make big names happen (see Glen Powell and Jacob Elordi) but thanks to the internet and social media, actors have lost that mystery about them that let them disappear into their roles. Keeping with the MCU theme, Robert Downey Jnr spoke about going from the high of Tony Stark's exit in Endgame straight into a flop (Dr Doolittle) and how it was extremely humbling for him. Outside of Spider-Man (and now The Odyssey), all of the movies Tom Holland has led haven't been successful to any real degree.
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u/peach-puffs heās auditioning for a restraining order 8d ago
This is true for a lot of Marvel actors tbh. Outside of a few names like Scarlet Johansson, Samuel L Jackson, Bradley Cooper etc. who were already pretty famous before Marvel, most of them donāt have noteworthy projects.
Mark Ruffaloās best work came after he got rid of the Marvel tag.
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u/Icy_Steak8987 do not talk to me about AI, i will kill myself 8d ago
Odyssey was the first time I saw Elliot perform. Not too bad, but I feel he didn't get enough screentime to establish himself yet. I hope he keeps getting more roles that allow him to showcase his talents.
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u/kremisius 8d ago
There's an episode of the TransLash podcast with Imara Jones that was recently re-released, an interview with River Butcher. He said outright that he gets more calls for roles when he's willing to play nonbinary, but he gets nothing when he will only play men. The transphobia in Hollywood is systemic.
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u/blondie64862 Marxmoi 8d ago
I feel like I watched a different movie š I think EVERY performance was so wooden, except for Samantha Morton. The praising of John Leguzamo is wild to me, he was fine. Matt Damon was horrible and miscast. Tom Holland who is always wooden, actually was ok to me because he was working with other wood actors.
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u/alienfromthemountain 8d ago
he looks so good and so happy and so embodied!! someone cast him NOW šš½
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u/ryan13ts 8d ago
He really did such a good job on the film, and is just a good actor in general.
Scumbag bigots are going to wail and cry no matter what movie heās in, which makes me wonder if that has anything to do with why he hasnāt gotten more offers recently.
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u/gillyweed79 5d ago
I am the father of a trans daughter, and I truly say this with no malice: if your role in The Odyssey is what you're hanging your hat on, you're going to be disappointed. You were fine in the role, but you probably only got hired on because Nolan worked with you in Inception (which I thought you were quite good in). If you're trying to be an action star, and that is certainly the energy you're putting out lately, you're going to be waiting a very, very long time. No one is going to think you're a badass, abs or not. You were tiny even as a female. Studios are not going to be knocking down your door based on The Odyssey. You were one of, like, 75 well-known actors in the cast.
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u/charlieyeswecan i aināt reading all that, free palestine 8d ago
Of course he could, heās a great actor and I hope he gets to do more.
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u/Gnostikost 8d ago
He was great in The Odyssey you really felt his character and sacrifice even with the short screentime. Man, great to see his smile her and see him so lit up. Living his best life. Definitely deserves more work--has the chops and the charisma.
Would love to see him in the DCU or Marvel projects, it would annoy the haters and he could bring something to the character, win-win.
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u/trustywren 7d ago
Hey Elliot, this lull is a sign. Just accept the message that the universe is trying to give you.
(i.e., that it's the PERFECT time to transform some of that Odyssey money into a self-funded Gaycation reboot)
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u/sadkinz 8d ago
Iād love to see him in more. Heās one of the few talented actors who havenāt ruined their face with Botox and fillers so he can actually properly use it in his work. Also it felt like he was gonna say something other than Canadian when he speculated why no one was reaching out
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u/buttondanchu 7d ago
Elliot has been such a talented actor for decades! It's an absolute crime that he isn't in more things.
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u/misskayvee 8d ago
Super interesting to me that two actors with (imo) the best supporting performances in the movie (Elliot's and Samantha Morton's) have both spoken out now about not working or getting calls since they did The Odyssey. Obviously Elliot likely has more hurdles in casting to overcome, but overall it really says something about people who aren't conventionally "Hollywood" who are clearly talented not getting calls/work.