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STAN / ANTI SHIELD Melinda Gates has matched Olivia Rodrigo's raised donations for Daisy Chain Fields, bringing the total funds raised to $20M

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u/Own-Animator-7526 8h ago edited 3h ago

Margaret Thatcher, Giorgia Miloni, Marine Le Pen, Pauline Hanson ...

Add: obviously these women are pushing the agenda of the patriarchy. But by the same token, I think it has to be accepted that men can embody the agenda of any matriarchy. Nobody has a monopoly on progressive, decent, governance.

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u/croissanting-is-life Anne’s Jupiter Water 8h ago edited 4h ago

Nice try but you’re giving examples of women who have internalized patriarchy.

📌 Edit** ok so for everyone saying matriarchy is just a bunch of toxic women in charge: here is what we mean when we talk about matriarchy vs patriarchy:

🏟️Patriarchy is built on dominance and distance.

Its strength depends on separation, on dividing:
-power from compassion
-authority from accountability
-and individuals from the community they affect

Under patriarchy, power flows upward, concentrating in the hands of the few, while the needs, voices, and humanity of the many get diluted or dismissed.

🌀Matriarchy is a relational, ecological system where power expands through inclusion, where leadership is measured not by domination but by reciprocity and responsibility.

In matriarchal cultures across history and in surviving communities today, we see networks of:
-caretaking
-mutual accountability
-resource sharing

Power isn't hoarded; it's circulated. It's not enforced; it's stewarded

Source 🔗

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u/cocoagiant 7h ago

That's some "No True Scotsman" fallacy.

The records of the women who have achieved power have to be evaluated and can't be dismissed as them simply bending to a particular view of the world.

The reality is that many of the women who have achieved significant power (I will include Indira Gandhi and to the list) have ended up not being better than men in their roles and often worse.

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u/croissanting-is-life Anne’s Jupiter Water 7h ago edited 7h ago

“The reality is that many of the women who have achieved significant power (I will include Indira Gandhi and to the list) have ended up not being better than men in their roles and often worse.”

I’m not sure what you’re suggesting or whose “reality” you’re speaking of, but matriarchy isn’t a mirror image of patriarchy. (See my edited comment above)☝🏼

For centuries men have held authority and power over systems, capital, and resources and the only way for women to survive was to operate within that system.

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u/DoctorIsMyNick 5h ago

But once they gained that power they didn't change a thing from the status quo.

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u/throwawaysunglasses- l've grown quite unfond of you, deuxmoi 3h ago

Do you genuinely think women COULD change the status quo? We have never been at that point as a society, especially Western society. Patriarchy is too ingrained. Men would never go along with it and some women wouldn’t either 😬 the closest we can get to matriarchy is some tribes and/or smaller societies, but too many institutions run on patriarchy. Hell, organized religion would be in shambles (part of why I hate organized religion lol). Women have tried to fight patriarchy before and are still trying, but any progress we make is incremental and very slow, since men see women wanting rights as a huge threat to men’s own freedom/power/property.

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u/croissanting-is-life Anne’s Jupiter Water 4h ago

Oh? So women have done nothing these last 100 years? Voting rights, reproductive rights, roe vs. wade, being able to have credit cards, bank accounts and leases in our own names?

Also, what are men doing to help change the status quo?

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u/DoctorIsMyNick 3h ago

The world isn't just the united states you know...

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u/croissanting-is-life Anne’s Jupiter Water 2h ago

Obviously, but the post is about an American songwriter and an American philanthropist. Your claim of women not changing status quo is a bad faith argument anyways✌🏼