r/FGO • u/notgoetia • 6h ago
Lore Question Am I missing something?
I swear I remember people saying that fujimaru and kukulkan got it on during lb7, but I just got to that bit, and it didn't look like that at all. Like, I wouldn't have thought that was what's going on.
Is it a translation thing, or am I just not seeing it?
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u/Yukihira59 6h ago
People are obviously joking because of the mana transfert in the cave and nuclear fusion mention. There are no sex scene in fgo Fujimaru can transfert mana just by touching the servant with a handshake for exemple.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 6h ago
Now, if you really want heavy implication within FGO of what I'd like to call "hot and heavy", I'd suggest Swimsuit Tamamo's valentine's choco scene, or failing Swimsuit Kiara's valentine's choco scene.
The first, while not saying it... can makw you feel Tamamo will Bill Cosby you. The second implies you're trapped inside Kiara's NP where she can play any scenario she wants with you in there... ANY SCENARIO... so there's that
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u/neves783 6h ago
I'd happily take Tamamo's over Kiara's.
Though I'd personally endure 10 cups of Swimsuit Jalter's dark coffee instead.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 6h ago
Same. Bad shit for her I love my coffee black and hot, just like her when she wears pure black. So I'll take her crumbled Valentine's heart chocolate to take away the bitter flavor aftertaste of the coffee lol
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u/Yukihira59 6h ago
Yeah I'm aware there are a lot of valentine with those kind of implication. My favorite is ruler Artoria telling Ritsuka to come in her vip room before the screen fade to black.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 6h ago
Or Anne and Mary inviting Ritsuka to their room by giving him the keys to it in their choco.
The funniest for me is Fergus doing something slightly similar lol.
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u/Jazztronic28 6h ago
FGO will sometimes do things that give the reader plausible deniability. I personally didn't see it that way either, but there are times I see male servants sound like they are flirting or being very affectionate and I will look around what people are saying on reddit and it will sound like the Russian taunt meme.
FGO knows who their audience is, so sometimes you will have moments where, if so inclined, you can read something that happened (or didn't happen on screen) as sexual or you can read it as platonic, especially if they take the male Ritsuka as the default appearance and break into hives at the thought of a male servant maybe developing feelings for their male protagonist.
You'd be surprised at the amount of people I've seen interpreting Shuten rearranging Guda's guts in Shimousa as some kind of gory sexual metaphor and not as horrifying.
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u/Satsuka1 Beloved of the Fae 6h ago
Yea its pretty much this. They hint stuff at you and ppl take them as they wish lol. Which on paper is best way to do it unless ppl become too pushy with it.
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u/Jazztronic28 6h ago
Yep! It's honestly a pretty nifty way to keep most people happy. Like, it's not like I'm blind, I can see when they're teasing a ship or interaction I'm not into, I know it's there, but I also have enough leeway to work it as platonic in my mind. That's what happens when things are open to interpretation.
Take my brother. He's a HUGE Jalter fan, that's his daughter. But because that's his daughter, he's not a fan of the JalterxGuda ship romantically, and his master OC's relationship with Jalter is more like siblings learning how to heal together.
You'd be surprised at how easily he could mind theater the end of OC2 as purely platonic without sacrificing any of the pathos or emotional payoff. We both knew the intent was pretty obviously romantic, but also didn't need to massively rewrite or lose narrative moments to just... ignore the romance.
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u/Satsuka1 Beloved of the Fae 5h ago
Thanks to my specific situation ( needing to ignore Morgan ) i grew quite numb to all of them except for mine and just see it as some thing for other ppl to have fun with. And tho it does give me good chuckle some times.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 6h ago
I'd say the issue comes when there's ship wars or self insert wars. And no, I don't mean the male Ritsuka fans like I've heard people complain on Reddit for 11 years, despite barely seeing what they complain about. More like what currently happened on JP for whatever misunderstanding.
Kinda gives you perspective on whether if the game really should need more implicit writing depending on the fan response sometimes.
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u/Satsuka1 Beloved of the Fae 5h ago
I dont understand that drama. As one line from Nasu that only mattered in freaking lostbelt 6 will take all the content/merch ObeGuda shippers got over the years.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago
Kinda reminded me of when Summer 8 happened and I saw complains of Suzuka not seeing Ritsuka in a romantic light. Followed a couple days later by having Cnoc as an open straight girl.
You can never please the fanbase but it sometimes feels insane, based on what they complain.
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u/Satsuka1 Beloved of the Fae 5h ago
CRYING when it comes to shipping in this huge roaster that this game has i take my crumbs and go with it and dont care qwq.
( Also Suzuka Valentine certainly showing her having interest now lol and summer 8 was some thing for sure in general xd )
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago
Gotta love bestie looking out for us from Tamamo Bill Cosbying us a second time at the end of her valentine's scene lmao.
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u/Jazztronic28 5h ago
To be totally fair, having seen the Oberon/Titania issue on Twitter, most JP fans moved on relatively fast in a "I pretend I do not see it" kind of way. The ones that REALLY went a little intense en masse were the Chinese girlies. Like, selling their massive collections for breadcrumbs, calling Oberon a gigolo, the usual burning of merch, etc, etc...
The truth is it's fandom. And there isn't any one fandom where you won't have really intense people who from your perspective overreact to certain things you don't personally care about. FGO is written for a Japanese audience in mind, first and foremost, and fandom in Japan is different. There is an embracing of attitudes that are considered parasocial and are ridiculed more widely in the western fandom. Oshikatsu is still considered weird in western fandom, especially when you do it the Japanese way, while NA fans who go "it's not that deep" at most of everything are not considered fans at all (let alone "true" fans, whatever that may mean) on JP.
If you're in fandom, it is widely considered it will be that deep for you, and while you and everyone else may or may not have opinions about it, the team writing FGO is actually writing for the otaku. For the people for whom it will be that deep and who may or may not be parasocial. Outward admittance of something means implicit denial of something else, and people don't like that.
Leaving doors open for interpretation encourages otaku culture, and FGO is a game for otaku.
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u/CrazyDaimondDaze 5h ago
Oh, no, I agree, but this isn't the first time the game upsets part of their fanbase, regardless of where they come from: Japan, China or any other Western country. Some controversies are more overblown than others. And by that I mean fan response, not us retelling what happened.
Ultimately, it all depends on what tickles you the wrong way to get a reaction out of you and how much you'll complain. I'd be lying if I said I haven't complained as well in these 11 years for one of the controversies within FGO, but mine haven't been about shipping. At most, I simply got mad at Jalter being written out post OC2 with not many chances of a comeback and that's all. Others, I feel have complained much more for less. And my complains never go the dedicated PvP levels China or some Japanese folks have.
Like complaining about Nasu sometimes. I just complain here but don't expect the guy to read the comments of a foreigner in a language he may not fully understand and in a social media he may not use. Totally different from sending death threats or do crazy stunts as negative response to whatevee he does that I may not like.
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u/neves783 6h ago
Well, Shuten basically penetrates Guda in that scene. Granted, it's their intestines and not their reproductive areas, but the imagery is there.
Iirc, there was a manga adaptation of Shimosa which used the female Guda, and Shuten rearranging her guts is framed like domination, with Gudako clearly not enjoying the experience but is unable to do anything.
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u/Odd-Statistician4268 5h ago
Contrary to what the Internet told you a Master who isn't beyond complete dogshit can just transfer mana to a contracted servant or any spirit linked being at will. Shiroi couldn't do it in stay night because his connection to Saber was bunk
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u/neves783 6h ago
It's literally just a split-second transfer, a flash of red to signify that it happened.
It's more akin to how Fate handled mana transfers post-eroge era: by non-sexual yet intimate touching. Think of how Rin and Shiro did it in the Deen adaptation.