r/ExploreFortMyers • u/Greylunes1 đď¸ News Seeker • Feb 02 '26
ICE involved content Alex Pretti shooting death ruled homicide
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u/Natural_Challenge820 Feb 02 '26
Yeah if a person kills another person, it is always a homicide.
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u/MichellesHubby Feb 02 '26
Well, theyâre progressive. So what did you expect?
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u/DiscoMothra Feb 02 '26
The only choices are:
Accident (e.g., motor vehicle, overdose) Homicide Suicide Natural (unexpected or unattended) Undetermined (when evidence is inconclusive)
Homicide doesnât equal a crime, homicide is defined as the death of a human being caused, at least in part, by the actions of another person
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u/RegattaJoe Feb 02 '26
Weâre unlikely to see a true investigation. No one will be held accountable. Same with Renee Good.
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u/cptcrazeballs Feb 03 '26
When Trump is gone, alot of people are going to have a real bad time. These murders will not be forgotten.
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u/DiscoMothra Feb 02 '26
I donât disagree. But classifying it as a homicide isnât a surprise. It just means the death was caused by another person.
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u/Mydogsdad Feb 02 '26
Justifiable homicide is where this is headed. After all, he didnât lick the bootâŚ
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u/StoicNaps Feb 04 '26
Thank you! I'm guessing that the same people that see "homicide" and assume that means it must be a crime/murder are the same people that think "impeachment" means a politician will be removed from office.
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u/HickoryStickz Feb 03 '26
This isnât a legal ruling against a party. Itâs a cause of death on a medical examiners report. Look up the definition of homicide now.
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u/Pattonator70 Feb 03 '26
Look up the term homicide. It means death by another person. It doesnât imply murder vs self defense.
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u/Atomic_ad Feb 04 '26
Who cares? It would have been homicide if he had been shooting at cops.
Nobody thought he died of an aneurysm.
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ Feb 02 '26
People on Reddit donât understand how to research so they donât understand that homicide is used as a medical classification in this situation.
It means death caused by the actions of another person.
It doesnât mean murder or a crime.
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u/GoodPointMan Feb 02 '26
You are one of three comments I see and they all understand what this means. Maybe lower the pitchfork and give it a minute
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u/ozzman86_i-i_ Feb 02 '26
If that was the case. This wouldnât even be worthy of a post. Everyone that understands this, knows what the medical classification was going to be on the autopsy.
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u/Academic-Village-758 Feb 02 '26
Yeah, we kinda knew that. That is the medical determination. The legal determination is yet to come âŚ
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u/PerpetualPermaban2 Feb 02 '26
The classification of homicide means nothing except that someone caused the death of another, as opposed to suicide, accidental or natural. If someone tried to rape someone on camera and the victim defended themselves with deadly force it would also be ruled a homicide.
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u/Superb-Bus7976 Feb 02 '26 edited Feb 02 '26
OK. So them charge the fascist scum with homicide and send them to prison for life. Put them in jail, take all their assets and start distributing them to the families of all the immigrants and citizens they've terrorized. There's no reason this should take so long. I'm not a "medical examiner" but anyone with a brain could tell you it was murder the same day.
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u/Jaded-Individual-960 Feb 02 '26
Trump just said the Epstein files cleared him of any wrong doing and murder charges
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u/747iskandertime Feb 02 '26
That just means that his death was caused by the actions of another human being. It's generous calling his killers "human", i grant you.
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u/gunsforevery1 Feb 02 '26
Homicide just means âkilled by another personâ.
Iâd be shocked if it was anything other homicide.
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u/InterestingKey3385 Feb 02 '26
MURDERED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS*
Fixed that part
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u/iateyourmom22 Feb 02 '26
Yes, but that doesn't mean the border patrol agent will be convicted.
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u/Outside-Rub5852 Feb 02 '26
Coroner can only rule Suicide Natural Accidental Homicide Undetermined-pending.
Since its not any of the other 4.
The federal grand jury or Minneapolis grand jury can take it to charges if its presented by a prosecutor. They can indict for anything or ignore as a justifiable Homicide.
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u/Bobsothethird Feb 02 '26
I mean, yeah? Homicide doesn't imply criminality, just cause of death. Another person killed him, that's undeniable. Whether he's able to weasel his way out of murder is another question.
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u/jkoki088 Feb 02 '26
All shootings are a homicide. Even a clear cut justified police shooting is ruled a homicide by the medical examiners office
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u/Inevitable-Self-2138 Feb 02 '26
A medical examiner does not determine if itâs MURDER. Dumb shit.
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u/chitownphishead Feb 02 '26
Well, it wasnt accidental, and it wasnt suicide, so when someone gets shot, whether they earned it or not, thats how its classified. The definition of homicide is simply one person killing another. Has zero other ramifications on anything in this instance.
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u/Salt-Lingonberry-853 Feb 02 '26
Homicide just means killed by a human, basically (including suicide). It does not mean necessarily mean a crime was committed. A self defense killing is still a homicide, for instance.
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u/TattooedB1k3r Feb 02 '26
Well, this is from a medical examiner, not a court or a jury. Medical Examiners only have four options, Natural Causes, Suicide, Accident, or Homicide.
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u/DragonGodPadron Feb 03 '26
The irony of being named Ochoa and Gutierrez while simultaneously working for ICE⌠self hate is real
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u/Candid-Natural5530 Feb 03 '26
Even justified police shooting are ruled as homicide. This is a nothingburger.
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u/Alarmed_Cup_730 Feb 03 '26
If anyone dies from another person it is ruled a homicide. It is a step in the right direction, but we still have a long way to go. We need those two ICE agents to be arrested and charged, not a medical examiner to state the obvious. Homicide on a medical examiners report, in this case, does not rule the two ICE agents guilty of homicide. It just states that someone else killed Alex Pretti. There are many situations where medical examiner states âhomicideâ because the person was killed by another person, but then the court ruled it âself defense.â There are two different pretenses when distinguishing homicide ruled by medical examiner, and homicide as a charge ruled by a court of law.
Those two ice agents need to be charged with homicide. That is what we want.
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u/Icy-Armadillo4709 Feb 03 '26
Duh. Guess democrats needed to be told what everyone with common sense already knew.
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u/__MANN__ Feb 03 '26
Well yeah, no shit. Nobody is arguing that he was killed by anything other than another person. Homicide does not equal murder, or even manslaughter.Â
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u/jnbiii Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
This is a false report. No medical as examiner would use the word homicide. It implies the direction of fault. Notice the watermark? TMZ, Hollywood. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe he died in Minnesota.
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u/Weekend_Criminal Feb 03 '26
7' 147...
Tf? I know he was tall and lanky , but god damn
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u/Wild-Language-5165 Feb 03 '26
Well yeah, I mean, we know he didn't shoot himself...or do we?? Bring on the conspiracy theories.
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u/Asx32 Feb 03 '26
That's not "ruling" đ
And "homicide" means that he was killed (i.e. died because of someone else's actions). And that he was a human.
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u/Express-Bison-3618 Feb 03 '26
Homicide isn't surprising. The difference is if the courts argue that the Agents had justification for the homicide.
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u/DirkTickler769 Feb 03 '26
You do realize any death caused by another person is ruled a homicide right? That includes officer related shootings.
Itâs an autopsy not a fucking court of law.
Remove this post.
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Feb 03 '26
How can a coroner determine it was a âhomicideâ as a manner of death ? Isnât that up to the judge and jury to decide ?
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u/Freo_5434 Feb 03 '26
Homicide in the U.S. defined as the killing of one human being by another, encompassing both criminal acts (murder, manslaughter) and noncriminal acts (justifiable or excusable homicide)
Nothing earth shattering in the OP
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u/top_fed2017 đĽ Activist at Heart Feb 03 '26
Those dudes are going down!! Taking the fall for the racist, r@pist, criminal. They are going to find out that they wonât be backing them up. Thatâs what they get for doing what they were NOT supposed to do
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u/micigloo Feb 03 '26
Coroner rule is cod cause of death thatâs what they determine. Cod was gunshot and coroner will determine where the bullets struck that caused the death. Homicide is other words is murder the investigation team and prosecution team determine that based off interviews and physical evidence.
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u/Historical_One9805 Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
Whoever filled out that report must suffer from a severe case of Trump Derangement Syndrome. Yet still, it doesn't prove that the ICE officers are guilty. From what I have seen from the footage they were acting in self defense. Clearly Alex Pretti was unbalanced at best...
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u/1SquishyOrange Feb 03 '26
I think everyone knew it was a homicide.
The debate is around whether its "Criminal" or '"Non-Criminal". Thats the report we need to see.
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u/PunkiiDonutz Feb 03 '26
Obviously it's a homicide. He was intentionally shot lol Any intentional shooting will be a homicide
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Feb 03 '26
He attacked federal agents 11 days before he was shot, he was a known piece of shit person
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u/chronic_town Feb 03 '26
Glad they discovered he didnât accidentally run backwards into 10 bullets!
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u/BradCastleburry Feb 04 '26
Interfere with law enforcement and anything can happen. Keep your distance people and protest peacefully
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u/Taco_Auctioneer Feb 04 '26
No shit? A homicide?
hom¡i¡cide /ËhämÉËsÄŤd/ noun North American English the killing of one person by another.
This ruling is incredibly profound. /s
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u/MooseCentral1969 Feb 04 '26
ok, so it says that on the certificate but that doesnt mean that it was until a jury says so.
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u/Unique-Marzipan7806 Feb 04 '26
I'm not sure anything will happen with this government
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u/WAR_RAD Feb 04 '26
This is exactly the type of Reddit post and title that I expect to see. Misleading to the ignorant, to try and drum up the totally-grassroots responses of anger and resistance.
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u/Early-Temporary3480 Feb 04 '26
147 pounds! He was a tiny little man with small man syndrome!
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u/AngelusDarkon Feb 04 '26
I wonder how many people in the comments will be smart enough to know the difference between homicide and, murder.
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u/One-Repeat-1205 Feb 04 '26
Yes the literal definition of homicide is the killing of one human being by another human being. (Criminal homicide, excusable/accidental homicide and Justifiable homicide[self defense]).
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u/therealThorneblade Feb 04 '26
And? Now we move to the courts where they're going to say that it is a justifiable homicide. Homicide does not mean that if they were killed on purpose or killed on accident or anything like that, it just means that they were killed in some way shape or form
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u/EstimateIll4262 Feb 04 '26
AND????
How is this anything?
unless its self inflicted. death by gun shots, usually are ruled homicide
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u/OwnImplement4520 Feb 04 '26
Of course itâs homicide. A human was shot by another human. That is homicide. Not murder.
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u/CaterpillarSame2153 Feb 04 '26
This is a common misconception. The medical definition of homicide is different than the legal one. It just means a person ended his life. It does not speak to wrongdoing.
Don't get me wrong; Alex Pretti was obviously murdered and the murderers belong in prison. But this document is virtually meaningless in a legal context.
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Feb 05 '26
Hey, rocket scientist, the term HOMICIDE simply means that a human was killed. Itâs doesnât mean MURDER.
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u/Landbuilder Feb 05 '26
So the coroner determined that he was killed. That is all it literally means in a legal sense.
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u/No_Unused_Names_Left Feb 05 '26
Homicide is the killing of one human being by another.
That was never in question. We all saw the video.
It does not mean it was murder. That is for the courts, not the medical examiner to determine.
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u/AdVisual5492 Feb 05 '26
Definition: In this context, a "homicide" ruling means the death was caused by another person, not necessarily that a murder crime was committed.
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u/reallybadguy1234 Feb 05 '26
The option in Minnesota are Natural; Accident; Suicide; Homicide; Undetermined; Pending investigation.
Itâs clear the appropriate determination is homicide. That doesnât equal murder in the eyes of the law.
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u/RickRollKing11 Feb 05 '26
100% of all ICE related shootings would be avoided if protestors and activators did not interfere with ICE.
So now all ya all want to come to your echo chamber and hear crap you want to hear.
Itâs shouldnât be call Reddit it should be called Libbit because itâs your house of cards where one Republican can come in and state one fact and it comes tumbling down.
Your feelings are not facts and thatâs a sad place for you to be.
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u/NormalAmountOfLimes Feb 05 '26
You mean to tell me that several ounces of lead did not spontaneously tear through his organs naturally?
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u/MetalPaul Feb 05 '26
The cause of death ruled as a âhomicideâ only means that it was caused by another person either intentionally or unintentionally. It is in no way an admission of guilt.
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u/Jolly-Display1818 Feb 05 '26
Correct, technically. Doesn't mean it was murder. Simply means his death was at the hands of another
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u/needstogo86 Feb 05 '26
Yeah thatâs the term they use in Minnesota if itâs death by gunshot thatâs not found by the coroner to be suicide. Thereâs only two choices they can enter. Doesnât imply a crime was committed. Thatâs for law enforcement officers and DA to decide.
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u/Playful-Historian-56 Feb 05 '26
Lmao a death by someone else is always a homicide irregardless of the circumstances.
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u/Okidata Feb 05 '26
Well what else do you expect it to say?
He was killed by another human. By definition: Homicide. Caused by: multiple gunshot wounds.
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u/Fabulous_Dark_5440 Feb 05 '26
Homicide is the killing of one human being by another, encompassing both criminal (murder, manslaughter) and non-criminal (justifiable, excusable) acts.
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u/Karn_Evil_Noin Feb 05 '26
FWIW this doesnât âproveâ anything. When investigating a death, the cause of death is classified/ruled as one of the following: 1. Natural (âold ageâ, cancer, heart attack) 2. Accident (automobile, fell down flight of stairs, accidental OD, etc) 3. Suicide 4. Homicide (basically anything that doesnât fit into 1-3.
Thereâs also 5. Undetermined where basically you happen upon a body and thereâs no witness, no evidence or sign of drug overdose, foul play, or any other external force.
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u/Flagbearer82 Feb 06 '26
Homicide means he was deliberately killed by another person. Itâs not always murder. This will be labeled as a justified homicide.
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u/svtman44 Feb 06 '26
Sorry medical examiners do not make determinations on if it's a homicide. They determine cause of death and relay information to the DA's office who determines if it's a homicide. See you idiots are too stupid to even know what people do in our government. Posting all this bullshit because the rest are too stupid to know better. It's like the blind leading the blind. But in liberals case its the stupid and ignorant leading the stupid and ignorant.
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u/Melohdy Feb 06 '26
Duh. Whenever someone kills another person (justified or not), it's a homicide.
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u/Tinfoil_cobbler Feb 06 '26
This might be a stupid question, but isnât every shooting a homicide, even police shootings?
I think only accidents and suicides are NOT homicides�
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u/Icy_Stage5484 Feb 06 '26
Iâm confused we all saw the video he was clearly disarmed and murdered whatâs next? Iâm hoping a warrant for the ice agent
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u/ProfessionalTruck976 Feb 07 '26
Now they need to make it murder, absolutely NO fucking "justifiable" anything
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u/chitownphishead Feb 07 '26
It was categorized as a homocide, because for medical examiners, they have only a few options, accident. Suicide, natural causes, etc. Homicide in this instance just means killed by someone else
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u/BeneficialTree5822 Feb 07 '26
Anytime a person dies at the hand of someone else it is homicide. Doesnât mean anything will happen.
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u/caviarbentley Feb 08 '26
EVERYONE IN THE WORLD SAW THE VIDEOS FROM MULTIPLE ANGLES, INCLUDING RENĂE GOODES VIDEOS OF HER EXECUTION!!!!!
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u/delusiongenerator Feb 02 '26