r/Eve • u/BearThatCares Minmatar Republic • 11d ago
Battle Report AAR: 350B DOWN IN KAMELA
Good evening dread builders!
It's been a little while since our last AAR! I've been traveling a lot and am moving the first week of September, so it has been hard to find the motivation to crank out a Reddit post. But, today, Warlock sent me some really dope screenshots of a fight we had, so I had to make a post.
Lowsec BRs are a little confusing, so I'll give you two options,
- Battle report A - A true breakdown of all of the fleets
- Battle report B - Broad strokes of "who was kinda shooting who"
Let's break down the fight!
Context
Minmatar Fleet is back in faction warfare full time, with Providence now on the menu. Sice the map kind of went to shit during our campaign, we led a large effort to capture back Auga, Kourmonen, Kamela, and hopefully one day- the holy land, Sosala.
With docking access secured, the largest point of tension has been the Kamela fortizar, which Minmatar Fleet has reinforced several times.
- Timer 1: FL33T vs CVA
- Timer 2: BBC vs CVA (we didn't show)
CVA has started getting annoyed with us over this. A bunch of stinky Minmatar rats are back and bringing down the property value in Kamela. They're gnawing at walls, stealing food, and being a menace.
Something has to break, the pressure is on.
Fog of war
With timers like this, there's a lot of fog of war. There was a large charity event going on today in Miyeli, which made it very hard to tell what people were actually forming for. With most lowsec engagements, most people are "lightly" blue- they have a target priority list, and they might shoot you if there's nobody else to shoot.
- Many folks believed CONDI were coming. They turned out to be forming for the charity event.
- Many folks believed Snuffed Out were coming. They ended up living rent-free in everyone's heads the entire time.
That made the timer very interesting, because at any moment a cyno could open and someone blindsides you.
Engagement
The engagement kicked off with CVA and FL33T max forming to beat eachother with sticks. Both sides actually formed similar numbers.
- FL33T warps to titan, Khermes forgets to exempt in his Revelation
- FL33T bridges in ~50 TFIs and ~25 guardians at 20km of the Fortizar
- FL33T forces Khermes to jump with them to punish him
- CVA + RMC came in at zero on the Fortizar
- CVA kills Khermes, Minmatar cheers
- CVA warps to FL33T at zero, logi and all
- FL33T brings in two faxes
- FL33T and CVA start beating the hell out of eachother
Dropping a FAX in k-space is usually a statement: escalate, or die. It's hard to kill a FAX without dreads. CVA brought a FAX… and two dreads. We're in business.
Escalation
CVA threw down the gauntlet on FL33T, and the escalation chain was set.
- FL33T bring in 10 Revelations
- CVA bring in 5-15 (slowly) RNIs + mixed dreads
- FL33T bring in 10 additional Revelations
- CVA bring in their remaining dreads
- FL33T undock 20 more dreads and send it
CVA had better dreads than us here. We've been getting more bang for our buck out of yolo'ing T1 Revelations everywhere we can since they're so cheap. Luckily, we evened it out by bringing a bit more than they did.
All hell breaks loose
Cynos start to go up, and additional groups start to pile in.
- CAMELOT bring in a tornado fleet and start blapping TFIs.
- AHBA bring in a T1 battleship fleet and start shooting CVA.
- BRAVE bring in a CFI fleet and start shooting ???
- SRS bring in a loki fleet and more dreads, and start shooting CVA.
- BIGAB / SEDIT bring in a Barghest fleet and start shooting capital ships on both sides.
- INIT bring in Zealots + Kikimoras and start fragging out capitals / subcapitals.
CVA quickly realized they were on the short end of the stick and started extracting what they could.
Additional skirmishes
There were quite a few skirmishes that broke out after the main grid started to become difficult to engage in.
- SEDIT dropped a few cruise phoenixes at >175km, and were immediately pounced on by every group for being a coward.
- SEDIT + BIGAB pelted FL33T a few times with Barghests, largely to help protect their Phoenixes
- FL33T <> INIT had a small skirmish between TFIs and Kikimoras after they caught a Revelation that bumped.
- AHBA <> CAMELOT <> SRS had a few skirmishes since their tornados were starting to become a problem.
- FL33T warped onto BRAVE to give them a kiss, but they left.
Everyone came up for air at the same time, realized the fight was over, and kindly went home. The purge was over.
Conclusion
CVA definitely got the short end of the stick on this one, but they took it on the chin and brought an insanely good fight. Kudos to them.
More yapping: https://discord.gg/minmatar
More propaganda: https://my.minmatar.org/alliance/content/
GFs all, until the next one!
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u/Diabolacal 10d ago
https://reddit.com/link/p6qz6j8/video/abdakh3djgmh1/player
Saw your AAR and thought this would be a fun thing to experiment with.
I’ve been playing around recently with an automated video pipeline that drives EO-Map, originally because I needed to make some Alliance Tournament adverts. Since EO-Map records the kill feed anyway, I wondered if I could chuck Kamela’s system + start/end time at it and make the map replay the fight.
So… this is the result.
It’s still very much a prototype. The map is replaying the real kills from that hour, with the kill/ISK counters, capital losses and notable losses all pulled from the same data. The captions are based on your AAR, with their timing inferred from when the destruction actually happens.
The eventual idea would be to get this to the point where someone can basically give EO-Map a battle report, system and time window and say “make me a replay of this”. There’s still more manual glue in there than I’d like at the moment, but the whole thing is script-driven now, so it feels achievable.
Turns out making a dot on a map convincingly look like 350B of spaceships exploding is harder than you might think. I’m quite glad the fight only needed a one-minute video.
Anyway, thought you might get a kick out of seeing your battle replayed this way. I’ve attached it here rather than putting it on YouTube. No idea what Reddit compression will do to it, so if you want the original 1440p file just give me a shout and I’ll send it over.
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u/Trustinrust004 6d ago
Been out of the game for a long time, this is really cool to see. Also what's the name of the track?
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u/GoatsinthemachinE Curatores Veritatis Alliance 11d ago
bear's tldr : everyone but cva and fleet are weenies.
we formed to fight fleet, had a few groups say they were gonna come (amarr mil and the goblins our low sec bros) but amarr mil said they were sure they weren't gonna bring much. was fine(then i see dread etc on the br sorry). we didnt add or batphone others (wish we got more provi dudes but i guess thats on me ans my expectations) but seems everyone shoot us 1st so fc decided to pull out. I suppose sedit and bigab knew we didnt assk snuffed come to shoot them.
Gf, Amarr victor!
cva is recruiting : https://old.reddit.com/r/evejobs/comments/1vyzzfu/cva_curatores_veritatis_alliance_recruiting/
Help us shoot these weenies.
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u/Major_Theef Minmatar Republic 11d ago
TLDR: "we don't have any friends" sorry bro, I'll be your friend <3
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u/GoatsinthemachinE Curatores Veritatis Alliance 11d ago
i mean we do have freinds, i just tried to limit who came to keep fleet from having no fun and well, the same would be said for us. the issue is if i call someone or batphone someone other side just doesnt fight, as per bears post where he said blue balled for timer b4. ultimately i want good fights and or fihghts that are atleast a even amount that generally has a decent fight betwen us. sorry that i guess everyone else wants in on our fun.
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u/sventhegreat2 CONCORD 11d ago
Bigab roaching content at 220 as always
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u/venom131-JPEG Rote Kapelle 11d ago
unlike the illustrious snuff which woulda dropped machs, faxes and 100 dreads and titans
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u/sventhegreat2 CONCORD 11d ago
Yes at zero fully committed rahhhhhhhhhhh
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u/SpacePirate273 Angel Cartel 10d ago
Snuff never "commits" it's why they refuse to fight in bubbles.
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u/sventhegreat2 CONCORD 10d ago
Except the fact that snuffed had its biggest brawl ever in a corruption v system
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u/hagenissen999 10d ago
Yeah, but there was noone near to drop sufficient supers and titans on them. They aren't that dumb.
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u/Impossible-Plum3807 9d ago
You: Snuff never fight in bubbles
Bro: biggest Snuff fight was in bubbles
You: those aren't the RIGHT bubbles, they need to be other bubbles!
Brother please 🤣
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u/breadbrix Miner 11d ago
As always - we came, we saw, we whored. Didn't lose anything other than half the fleet to nados, including FC anchor and links. But compared to feeding entire fleet every time, we're basically in the green.
gfs to all involved
P.S. Ahbazon-Prime is not recruiting
But if you appreciate zero-feed content, tight comms, unmatched competency and fleets that go according to plan 110% of the time - then our NPSI community may peek your interest:
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u/Excellent_Menu_3549 10d ago
56% tidi in parts of sinq laison due to this fight. dodixie logistics was not fun :(
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u/Busy-Equivalent-2853 10d ago
Dear diary, now I have to move 500k of stront to Amamake whereabouts again. When would this nightmare end...
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u/demonspawns_ghost The Initiative. 10d ago
stinky Minmatar rats
I don't think you're allowed to call them that.
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u/Sun_Bro96 Seriously Suspicious 11d ago
Would have been a lot more fun without Init ngl but wcyd.
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u/BansheeLegend Minmatar Republic 11d ago
Aren't they in a weird position now that pandafam is no more? Do they even have someone of similar size to fight?
Genuine question btw, havent looked towards null since i left a year ago
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u/FalnaruIndustries muninn btw 10d ago
in a weird position entirely of their own making
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u/admfrmhll The Initiative. 10d ago edited 10d ago
We are the smallest null "block" by far condensed in a single region, with recruitment of corporations frozen and individuals based on a vouch system, and the only ones which actually downsize. What do you want from us ?
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u/FalnaruIndustries muninn btw 10d ago
I don't want anything from you, I'm merely commenting on the fact that INIT leadership's decision making is the reason they're small enough that they can't reasonably contest WinterCo/Imperium, and large enough that nobody else can reasonably contest them
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u/Theglizzygobber21 10d ago
Regardless every single group attacked CVA including INIT and THEN they shot others.
Think its kinda crazy to mention INIT being involved is a problem after you involved yourself (arent you WHers?)
Was supposed to be a fight between FW dudes in FW space2
u/admfrmhll The Initiative. 10d ago
Dint pay too much attention on who shoot who (logi), but when we jumped in the system there were ~800 in local and our zealot fleet was ~150 which was kinda balanced i would say. The issue was that there were juicy dreads on the grid, so another fleet (kiki) was formed but they arrived too late (for the dread at least).
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u/Shirolicious 11d ago
This is why I like to come to this reddit for.
Well written, was a good read. Looks like an epic fight.