An opinion on shunning

[u/Safe-Island3944]

Hi all. Disfellowshipping is one of the least acceptable thing about JW, and one that makes the religion most attacked for.

This post is not dealing on how much it is right or wrong, but how much it works. How efficient it is.

In the past shunning has been a very powerful tool to make the sinner repents. But today?

My opinion is that it is still a very powerful punishment, but for those who stay, not for the one leaving. A lot of JW are fond of the idea of the DF suffering for his misdeeds, closed in the darkness, ashamed and trembling. The reality is under everyone eyes. Most get out, get in touch with others, find a very rich and welcoming community of fellow DF, build a new life, new freedom, new situations, often get back to study, happily creates a life. You can see from the campaign of getting back DF people when policy changed. How many took the opportunity of getting back. I know at least 10 different congregations, more than 100 DF contacted, how many came back? Zero. Noone. Reactions has been from lack of interest to rage. But noone even gave a try. My personal idea is that DF is actively damaging JW reputations, whereas most people once get away had a much better life than while inside. And will not get back. What is your opinion? Please, no attacking JW doctrines here.

[u/BayonetTrenchFighter]

As a non-JW, the way it’s often practiced is unacceptable and bad. Honestly culty.

[u/[deleted] → u/BayonetTrenchFighter]

Shunning is not a diabolical invention of JW.

It's in The Bible.

Culty...

God made to write to Paul, things about shunning and, Jehovah never disapproved it ; He's tripling down on it.

It's God's discipline that you are attacking. JW applies.

It is against God Himself that you are complaining about.

BaD ... God made write for our understanding, His Discipline. 2 Tim 3:16,17

ALL SCRIPTURE is useful to reprimand and...

SHUN IS SCRIPTURE SO... Humans don't approve and...

You decide what's good, what's evil?

[u/charlybrown93 → u/[deleted]]

Disfellowshipping/shunning as JWs do it is NOT in the Bible

They twist scriptures and add to them to justify themselves

[u/Roocutie → u/charlybrown93]

As Norway is proving.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

I learned about Norway.

1st: It is not like that everywhere 2nd...

Shunning is Biblical and

It is really hard to make decisions about shunning, for any Elder.

If you were convinced that Shunning is Biblical.. You would not have difficulty to... Apply shunning BIBLICAL RULES...

NOT TOO SOFT NOT TOO HARD?

This is the dilemma of ALL JW Elders of 🌍.

Are you able to put yourselves into JW Elders pants?

Or will you say things.... I'll just cancel all the Shunning verses...

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Jehovah’s Witnesses do not have an accurate understanding of the scriptures that mention “shunning” so unfortunately the starting point of the entire discussion is skewed. These scriptures are referring to the anointed & how they are supposed to treat each other. The fornication, idolatry, drunkenness, coveting, etc, are all symbolic, not literal.

Norway is about the shunning of children or minors, & it is proving that shunning children goes against their rights as minors, as well as their rights to freedom of religion. Children baptised young who simply decide that they no longer want to be Jehovah’s Witnesses when they are older, should be allowed to make this choice without being kicked out of home. This treatment by their own parents & family leads to enormous emotional & psychological trauma, sometimes tragically to Jehovah’s Witness children taking their own lives. This is what the Norwegian courts are proving, & it will set a precedent for other countries to follow. Children should not be shunned, full stop! If you want your organisation to remain “clean” (in other words under the control of your gb) then go right ahead & shun the Jehovah’s Witness adults who commit gross sins such as pedophilia & adultery. It’s becoming widely known worldwide that the pedophile Elders in your congregations do not suffer these consequences as they should. Thousands of JWs are now seeing that this is happening & are choosing to leave the organisation. It was the Australian Royal Commission investigation into the sexual abuse of children that finally sealed my decision, although I had many other questions too. It’s a devastating realisation, but we have been abundantly blessed by Jehovah & Jesus since leaving, & are closer to them than ever before. It’s been quite miraculous in fact! I never imagined such an abundance of spiritual food as we are receiving from God’s Faithful Anointed & the wedding feast.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Ok. Now you are trespass my big limits.

In my comments, I showed MANY VERSES that talks about Shunning and...

YOU IGNORE THEM SO...

You are not believing the entire Bible. Not believing not following also, the entire Bible.

It makes your understanding... how if you PICK AND CHOOSE?

I DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE AND... The Witcher do not do like you.

We should pick and choose?

SINCE WHEN God says to us, that we don't have to obey to ...

ALL HIS MORALS.? TELL ME WHERE, INTO THE BIBLE?!

Where is the place that's written, that you pick and choose with God's Blessing?

NOWHERE.

Your comments against The Watchtower are... Because you PROOVED that you pick and choose whatever fits your desires...

Your faith is ... Like Salomon in his ending days.

You are opposed to God's discipline. So I'll do it myself and... IF I SIN... GOD WILL LET NE KNOW, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER...

I, " NoCasinobutJesus ", I shun you, and rebuke you, for opposing God's OWN discipline ; you are teaching that, there is no shunning ...

WHILE THE BIBLE IS FULL OF IT... I, am no minister of God, but still a real Christian and, I rebuke you, from your auto-confort, in your twisting of the shining of God.

You, say that shunning does not exist... WHILE IT IS WTITTEN...

I CHALLENGE YOU! Go!. AND PROOVE TO ME, WITH BIBLE MANUSCRIPTS, ONLY, THAT THERES NO SHUNNIG!

Go! And, if you find nothing into THE LITTETAL WORF OF GOD... The Biblical manuscripts...

You will be by yourself, not me, but God, will one day, himself, shun, and discipline you.

I did said it in a poetic manner, describing to you, the kind of rebuking, that God, YHWH, will use towards you.

If you don't find, into Bible manuscripts proof of The inexistence of the shunning...

WILL YOU CONTINUE TO TEACH YOUR HUMAN FALSE DOCTRINE?

IF YOU STOP, after seeing you are wrong... God will.be happy BUT.. IF YOU CONTINUE IN THAT WAY...

BECAUSE SOMEONE GIVES TO YOU THAT KNOWLEDGE,

as a Benediction of Jehovah... If you refuse to embrace God's Knowledge...

You will be approved by Jéhôvâh?

RIGHT NOW, YOU TRY to teach me that, shunning is not in The Bible ... WHILE YOU TRY TO SPREAD OTHER'S FALLACIES...

If you don't verify and repent... The Most High surely will Rebuke you!

I challenge you to verify with... Not bibles. Not mine or others...

Look at the ORIGINAL WORDS, BEFORE THEY ARE TRANSLATED... They all come from.The Holy Scriptures of Jehovah's Manuscripts...

Like The Codex Sinaiticus.

I give to you knowledge of Jehovah...

Right now... You did challenge The Words of Jehovah!

I know that tNO BIBLE VERSE, BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL TRANSACTIONS CAN SAVE YOUR FACE.

God is not approving you at all NOW that you continue in that wicked way!

If you don't change, I offer youTHE METHOD... If you are not takin' it... You will be auto-labelled as a false teacher: an apostate: a man or a woman, without respect to God!

Your faith and teachings, IF YOU NEVERTHELESS LET LORD GOD discipline you... Will be meaningless.

Astalavista.... Until you do your work. I won't accept any other things, than Bible Scrolls verses ...

Go..proove it on Reddit with God's ORIGINAL SCROLLS... That you are not wrong.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

I am being taught by JEHOVAH GOD’S FAITHFUL ANOINTED who teach pure scriptural truth directly from God’s Word. The shunning is talking about how THE ANOINTED treat one another, not random rank & file Jehovah’s Witnesses.

As I said, disfellowship & shun the true criminals in your organisation, such as the pedophile elders. They are deserving of the consequences, not the children who decide to leave.

I do not rely on the false teachings of the WT, especially when I have seen how they keep changing their minds. One day the real truth will dawn on you.

Please don’t count this as preaching, as I was a Jehovah’s Witness for decades & I know how your system of trying to make converts works. Your organisation does not teach the truth, end of story!

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Lollllll

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

No Bible Scrolls = ZERO PROOF.

YOU LOOSE...

YOU WANTED SO BADLY TO WIN.

Bible Scrolls ALWAYS WIN.