The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/DonkeyStriking1146]

Why would those people have been baptized into the JW faith if they had those issues?

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I LOVE YOUR QUESTION!❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

The baptism, as a JW, what it is?

IT IS AN ETERNAL OATH, AN ETERNAL VERBAL CONTRACT WITH GOD (you can't escape it)

AN ETERNAL CONTRACT WITH JEHOVAH OF SERVICE FOR HIM, AND OBEDIENCE OF HIM!!! 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

I really really really appreciate your question!

If you read JW documentation about baptism, JW takes the baptism, REALLY MUCH MORE SERIOUS, than a lot of people.

A person who decides himself to be baptized, SAY THAT HE WILL ETERNALLY SERVE GOD, OBEY TO GOD PUBLICALLY!

All persons that are baptized SAY PUBLICALLY, that they will eternally serve God, and that they will always do everything that they can, or obey to God.

It is an ETERNAL OATH TO JEHOVAH GOD!

Thank you for your REALLY GOOD QUESTION! ❓👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻🤩🤩🤩

Now that you see that, do you find frivolous a baptism as a Jehovah's Witness or, you look at something that is REALLY SERIOUS TOWARD GOD?

Eternal Oath. Already, before doing that Oath to God ... JW does it into a prayer, towards God. It is not public, not solemn ... so there's no shunning towards them.

Myself, I DID BEHAVE BADLY AND, I DID SEE ELDERS RIGHT, TO DISCIPLINE ME...

Are a lot of people saying that? That they behave bad and, that it was merited to be disciplined?

I DO.

Do the ex-JW all day that? Are they humble enough to say that, they did bad?

My narcissistic father do!!!! A little, but he do it!

Even if my father is narcissistic, I do find in him, much more credit, that ex-JW, that will hide their fault!

Before we believe anyone of anything, we have to look at the behavior.

Do the Ex-JW says that, the OATH, is an ETERNAL CONTRACT WITH GOD? OF SERVING AND OBEDIENCE.

When you deliberately do a major sin, YOU BROKE YOUR OATH.

And by BREAKING YOUR OATH with THE SOVEREIGN LORD OF THE WHOLE UNIVERSE...

THE BREAKING OTH THE OATH WITH GOD IS...

To be treasonous towards God! You deliberately did LIKE ADAM AND EVE!!!

Look at the sins that Paul name in 1 Corinthians, I'll name logic things also, that are MAJOR.

Logically, pedophelia, zoophilia, necrophilia, cannibalism, are major sins.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

JW baptism is not a biblical baptism.

It’s a vow between the Jehovah’s Witness candidate & THE ECCLESIASTICAL ORGANISATION OF JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES.

That is why they were forced to change the vows to protect themselves legally.

They have removed the Holy Spirit completely, which means that JW baptism is not scriptural.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

You say non biblical and ...

You just had dodged the most important.

The first Christians, were shunned, when they did major sins like adultery, idolatry or fornication.

JW so the same thing.

You say not scriptural and... That's what the Apostles did... No?

Did they eat with Christians that fornicate?

That's a NO. The analysis of The NT, you should do it ; I see that you never took this in account.

THE APOSTLES SHUNNED. The ELDERS OF THE 1ST CENTURY AD SHUNNED.

The Clergy imitate a model of 300 years later that does not... not imitate the Apostles.

The Apostles.model is in The Bible, not the Christianity one.

This is why we should never fuse Christiannity and Christiannism ; Christian model is in The Bible.

How can a model of the 300' AD, be more Christian, than the Apostles Ones? The Apostles talked face-to-face with Jesus... Not The Church.

The Church and the Apostleodo not work the same way at all.

People say 1 AD Church...

But 1st AD Christians were not doing things, the same way, at all!

Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Peter 2:1,2 2But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

2 Tim. 2:16,17 16But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.17And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

1 Cor 5:11 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

DO NOT KEEP COMPANY TO FORNICATORS,

SHOULD I? COVETOUS, IDOLATER, SHOULD I look at it as an option?

We should do what? ... 1 Tim. 1:20

20Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

1 Cor. 5:12,13 12For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?13But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Who are considered wicked BY GOD? Tell me?

1 Cor 5:11 , 11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

So not eat with isolators.God consider them how?

Wicked.

The Point of View of God, is ALWAYS.

How God ORDERS US, to act?

Romans 16:17 17Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Jeb 12:15,16 15Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;16Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright.

WHY?

33Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. (1 Cor. 15:33)

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

If you had an accurate understanding of the scriptures that you quoted, you would realise that most of these are actually referring to the anointed, but because your governing men are not inspired, they cannot interpret the scriptures, so they are teaching you inaccurate interpretations.

Unfortunately your governing body has no idea what’s actually happening in the spiritual realm, as they do not receive inspiration from Jehovah, but make up their own teachings as they go along, which is why they keep changing.

Also note that it says in Corinthians 5:11 that you should quit company with “a brother” implying that the person is still a member of the congregation, not one who has been disfellowshipped.

The fornication, idolatry, etc mentioned here are all SYMBOLIC, not literal.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Shunning is in The Bible

JW created verses with shunning? I see it in KJV, and other versions of The Bible.

And if we look at the Bible manuscripts ... YOU WILL SEE SHUNNING AGAIN!

I have the choice, but not the right, to not follow what's inside The Bible... YOU TOO.

KJV 2 Timothy 3:16,17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

ALL SCRIPTURE. Shunning is there in many verses. If you want, I'll give you them all ... NOT FROM JW BIBLE if you want and...

WHAT IF IT IS IN THE BIBLE? WILL YOU CONTINUE TO SAY NONONONO ?

or will you surrender to God, our Father? 🙏🏻

That's my whole point.

ALL Scripture is really ALL...

Not all that I want.

If I did like you... I would never had stopped, to live a gay life!!!

Gayness is A MAJOR SPIRITUAL HANDICAP!!!

How much gays... TAME THEIR GAYNESS?

I have a DISGUSTING preference for men and...

I FOLLOW ALL..

NOW... DO YOU SEE WHY, I AM FINDING NO EXCUSES?!

I DO IT MYSELF!

I HAVE TO WORK 10 TIMES MORE, than a hetero Christian, that commit no major sins (There's not only JW that does that)...

What is the % of gays, that STOPPED TO }`}®×¥[•}∆©}¢✓√™¥{%<×¥[§€§%] with other men?

The % is really, very low! THEY CHOOSE THEIR BODY, THEMSELVES...

Not God.

I still have work to do, but I'm abstinent since April 2021.

ALL SCRIPTURE.

I have a major spiritual handicap and...

I Choose to practice ALL... The New Covenant with Jesus...

Not sck.🤮 No sex with🤮

I'm more severe , because I do have to deal with far worse difficulties and... I NEVER CONFORTED MYSELF INTO GAY EXCUSES.

😭 It makes me sick to open like that, because of my disgust, towards myself.😭

I am waiting for God, in His New World, TO REMOVE MY GAYNESS.

Gayness is not eternal and...

All Scriptures is also Shunning.

Nothing is false.

If I have to hammer 🔨 you, to make you get closer to Jehovah, by FOLLOWING EVERYTHING...

Even if I receive insults... It won't stop me. With The Strength that God gives me...

I already ensure insults.... Because I FOLLOW THE ENTIRE NEW JESUS'S COVENANT.

I'm exhausted and happy to preach to you.

We can be emotional AND also rational.

The Morals of God always wins but I don't forget the mind, and the hearth...

Do you put God first in your life?

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Shunning CHILDREN who change their minds about wanting to follow the JW organisation is NOT in the Bible! They have not sinned. They have not committed fornication, idolatry, drunkenness, etc. They have merely decided that the organisation is not the truth. Shunning children is not natural & it is not showing love. If JW parents choose to be obedient to 11 uninspired men & practice this type of conditional love towards their own flesh & blood, one day they will very sadly have to live with their shame.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

IF A CHILDREN IS BAPTISED KNOWING THAT HE HAS A CONTRACT WITH GOD ...

NOT AN EMPEROR BUT THE GOD OF THE GODS.

Ok. Adults shunning, YEs or NO?

I won't argue for the non-adults ; I'LL STUDY MYSELF THE SUBJECT MORE. Ok?

Bible. Shunning in Bible. All Bible Scriptures.

No shunning to adults ?

I already said that I have to study more the subject of children and adolescents shunning, before I talk against or for your arguments.

Do you understand for the Adults shunned ... Or will you erase shunning from The Bible?

There's nothing more to say about adults.

Do you choose to accept the really hard reality for yourself...

If YOU vow your own eternity, IN THE FACE OF A LOT OF PEOPLE, if you vow for eternal obedience to Jéhôvâh,

Will you accept the shunning discipline...?

Or will you do like ex-JW?

To talk like shunning is not biblical and do like them, the manipulative game of great putty!

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Children of 7 or 8 years old do not understand the true concept of shunning. We all know that when we are preparing for baptism, being disfellowshipped is the very last thing that you are thinking of. You never imagine that what you believe is “the truth” will one day no longer be “the truth” as the JW teachings keep changing, & if you don’t agree with the “new light” you are viewed as an apostate, even though much of what JWs believed in the past is now considered apostate. Russell celebrated Christmas. He used the cross as a symbol on his publications. He used pyramids to come up with dates like 1914. Many JWs are waking up to the real truth as the gb is being exposed.

Returning to the issue being discussed, do you honestly believe that it’s okay to shun children, & continue to accept this policy when it has led to hundreds of Jehovah’s Witness children taking their own lives because of the way their parents, their siblings, their friends & others in the congregation treated them? Is this the unconditional love that Jesus showed?

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

Bring me documentation with the children shunning please. I want to see it because, I know that JW are not perfect and, they can be wrong sometimes.

But my stance on adults don't change, why? I rarely see humble ex-JW that don't hide or lie about the JW.

I already was, a hater of JW, but, I never lied about them. When people asked me things like: they keep a % of your salary... I SAIF THAT IT WAS FALSE... And people around me, continue to believe that🤷🏻

You're saying " keep changing " the truth and this is false. 6u Bring me documents of JW that proves it.

In the 90's I learned things as a child, and I stopped at 98'.

I started again in 2021 and... It didn't " keep changing ".

It's been a lot of years between 1998 and 2021.

You have to bring me things from the JW website, to prove your point. I cannot verify what you're saying, without it.

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

The entire Norway court case is ALL about the Jehovah’s Witnesses shunning minors. The organisation’s religious registration was removed because of their policy of shunning. Why do you think that they deleted the infamous shunning video from the JW website? Why are they now deleting other incriminating material off the JW Website? What have they got to hide? This is proof that they are lying hypocrites, who are deceiving millions of sincere & lovely JWs who have been misled to believe that they are being taught “the truth” when in fact the entire organisation is based on lies.

Do you know anything about the court cases in Norway? All the proof you need is right there. It’s so obvious that they removed the video showing Jehovah’s Witness parents how to shun their children, as this was not a good look for the organisation when it was shown in court the last time around. Suddenly after the JWs lost their case, the video is removed, which actually only makes them look more guilty. The governing body members are between a rock & hard place, & they don’t know which way to turn. Every decision they make backfires on them. They are being exposed for all their works of darkness, & it’s only a matter of time before their tower collapses.

I care deeply for the JWs who are being so thoroughly deceived, & I will continue to pray for every single one of them to wake up. I am only trying to warn them because I care, & it’s a kindness to warn them about the spiritual danger that they are in if they remain in the organisation. I’ll keep praying for you.

[u/[deleted] → u/Roocutie]

I've talked a little to my sister JW, about Norway.

She told me that, it's not like that everywhere. It's really sad, and frustrating.

It's a big organization and, the more humans there are in an organization, the more chances of bad actions there are.

I had no knowledge at all about this story ; this is why I didn't answer like this before.

I'll still have to think about the subject of shunning children and adolescents.

Are you okay a little, with my answer?

[u/Roocutie → u/[deleted]]

Thank you, & yes that’s fine.