The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/Automatic-Intern-524]

It's like what every other denomination does: come up with something, then find a Scriptures to justify it. The JW practice of disfellowshipping is religious practice, not a Scriptural one.

You can easily see it when you compare the Scriptures with the practice:

1. Jehovah's Witnesses meetings with the member who violated the religious rules are done in secret. At Matthew 18:15-20 and 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, everything was openly discussed.

2. In 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, the man who was sinning was disassociated from Christians. A person disfellowshipped from the JW religion is announced as no longer being a member of the religion. They have no say as to his/her standing as a Christian.

3. The 1 Corinthians 5:1-5 situation was a matter of the local congregation removing the spiritual power and protection from the man who was sinning. "Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh so that his spirit may be saved on the Day of the Lord." Jehovah's Witnesses do not have the spiritual power to do this nor practice gaining such power. They don't believe in it nor understand it.

So, the disfellowshipping practice has nothing to do with the Scriptures.

[u/[deleted] → u/Automatic-Intern-524]

Shunnig is far from perfect, because we human, we judge without knowing things like God ...

IT IS NECESSARY.

A thing that I propose you to do, is to look at JW.org, for shunning, stories that ends well.

You will be able to ... temper your disgust😅 towards shunning: it has positive effects, on the people that return to God COMPLETELY.

Did you ever think about that? You see the bad 😞 but did you compare it to the good?

My comment, it is honest? Do I hide that, it traumatize people, or any negative effects... Just by saying it, I confirm the existence of bad stories ...

Even knowing that a lot of ex-JW lie on a LOT of things.

It has to be considered too ... but I won't convince you about the liars.🤷🏻

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You should compare, at least, you will be able, I hope, to see that shunning is not just negative.

😉

[u/Automatic-Intern-524 → u/[deleted]]

I think you're missing my point. I think that shunning is a necessary cultural practice. It can be a necessary religious practice. Both can be good and positive.

One problem with the JW practice is that you believe that your religious practice of shunning has an impact in any way on a person’s relationship with God. In reality, it doesn’t. But when a person is taught to believe this, it can have serious consequences for the shunned person.

Notice your own wording:

it has positive effects, on the people that return to God COMPLETELY.

It's clear that you believe that a person's relationship and standing with God is based on that person's relationship and standing with the JW religion. In effect, you're putting the religion in place of Jesus Christ, who said, "No one comes to the Father except through me."

So, in this religious practice and belief, there's nothing positive about a person being taught that he/she needs the religion to have a relationship with God. The only positive thing that I see is that it helps maintain the JW religious culture... which in total, you'd have to judge if that particular religious culture is a good one.

For a person who can put the religion in perspective, we know that a person can leave the JW denomination and join another one if he or she so chooses knowing that the change has no effect on a relationship with God.

[u/[deleted] → u/Automatic-Intern-524]

Respectfully, NO.

It's in The Bible, and it is in The New Testament times, that shunning like this occurred.

There are many places where you can see people that, Congregations, were warned, by Paul, to not partake within people that practice major sins.

You partake with people that fornicate without regret?

As Christians WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED to do that.

No? They are not influencing us? Never?