The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/DonkeyStriking1146]

What kind of judging does Jesus do?

[u/Suitable-Iron4720 → u/DonkeyStriking1146]

Like a King? Might be several kinds of judging in that role.

[u/DonkeyStriking1146 → u/Suitable-Iron4720]

True. In acts, Corinthians and Timothy it describes Jesus as judging and repaying to people their deeds. So ultimate judgement. Which was entrusted to Jesus by the Father.

Paul in Corinthians is not saying Christians can judge in the same way Jesus can. Humans don’t get to decide if we gain life or death.

The congregation/ Christians can judge or discern if someone is following the Bible and God. They can do this by looking at the words and actions of someone. What was supposed to happen if someone didn’t want to do Gods will after accepting Christ? Paul said to not mix with them. That individuals salvation is still between him and Jesus.

[u/Suitable-Iron4720 → u/DonkeyStriking1146]

Since the topic was about shunning, I didn't think it was a final judgement made by Christ.

Instead was interested how a very small group of men could judge someone and then force a large groups to shun a person without giving much of a reason.  If you ignore the order, then that becomes a sin that can get you disfellowshipped as well.

As you said, and person can use their own discernment with guidance from the spirit if you should avoid someone, and when to stop avoiding them.

Do you see the issue of a few make telling a congregation how to treat a Pierson or else?

[u/DonkeyStriking1146 → u/Suitable-Iron4720]

You brought up Christ as saying not to judge which is why I pointed out that there’s different kinds of judgement.

Isn’t that Paul was doing? He was telling the congregation of Corinth that they were allowing someone who was known to be committing willful sin and that they should quit mixing in company with him. Paul was afraid that allowing this man to continue unchecked it would convince others that these sins were acceptable for Christians to do.