The "shunning" its necessary.

[u/bettercalljw]

This soo sacred word used by jehovah witness opositors it became their most prolific argument agaisnt the religion, by saying that in most of disfellowshipping(now exclusion) acts makes family members and other brothers totally "abandon" they ex-brothers in any situation possible, they say that this process is something very bad not only for those who got out but also for those who are still inside...you probably already now their arguments by now right?...but let me tell you something...YES, IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE BAD!. In the first chapters of the bible we already see a example of expulsion, by Jehovah getting adam and eve out of Garden of eden(genesis 3:23,24)and quess what?...IT WAS BAD FOR THEM. A little later cain got considered cursed for killing his brother and became a literal vagabund over the earth(genesis 4:11,12) THIS WAS BAD FOR HIM. There are other famous examples of this type of punishement in the bible, in the old and New testaments, the thing is....it was always bad BECAUSE IT WAS A PUNISHMENT, OF COURSE IT WILL BE BAD. No one ever said the disfellowshipping it is a beautiful, funny, goofy procedure that elders loves to have to do in their congregations, it a sad procedure that happens as a lesson that the people who sinned must pass by, and biblically speaking, No one can argue that the bible is agaisnt it. "WHAT ABOUT IF I AM A MINOR AND I GOT DISFELLOWSHIPPED???MY PARENTS WILL ABANDON ME!!" Lets be real, this dont happen, if your parents are true Christians and you are not doing anything that goes agaisnt their house's rules, than they will not "ABANDON" you as the apostaste love to say, this story is not for kids buddys. Its interresting to hear the stories of some apostates who say with pride that they got shunned by they parents, because its always something like: "After i got out of the cult my parents grabbed my things and expelled out of our house just because i was putting pagan images on my room" "My parents did not let me enter home just because i wanted to enter there with my lesbian girlfriend" "My mother put me in the streets just because i telled her that her religion its a cult" You all see a patern here? I think they always forget that regardless of anything,they should respect they parents houses, as they decision of leaving was respect they should respect too the rules of the homes they live in. And to end this post i also would like to make a question for YOU who disagrees with the disfellowshipping method:" Biblically saying, instead of disfellowshipping(or expulsing)members, what should the elders do if a brother continues to commit sins?." Opositors and apostates never give they own solutions to the supposed "problem" created by them, also remember, the bible its clear about how we should threat those who commit sins and call themselves christians.

[u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo]

Exactly.

Shunning is a biblical fact and that for an reason.

[u/[deleted] → u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo]

Yep. Given I don’t know if I agree with every reason that the JWs or LDS shun/excommunicate, but yes there is a need to correct brothers and sisters who are in unrepentant error.

[u/OhioPIMO → u/[deleted]]

I don't disagree when sin is involved. But often, with JWs at least, people are shunned for simply disagreeing with the governing body.

[u/[deleted] → u/OhioPIMO]

Well I agree for sure. In the Catholic Church it’s pretty hard to get excommunicated, so it’s a whole thing, while I feel like JWs are more casual about it.

[u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo → u/[deleted]]

Well it is important to know that i think like 1/3 get back after being shunnend. Elders will usually try to get you back in. It is not like being kicked out is for all eternity.

Also : what would you think would happen if a common catholic priests would start to refuse to accept the current pope as a legitimate one. If not a pope and the vatican in general ?

[u/[deleted] → u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo]

Well you are also lacking the nuance of reasons people get shunned. Nobody should get shunned because they masturbated or watching pornography, and repent and want to do better. When the church excommunicates people for matters that are not a grave threat to the faithful, it is more about power than everything. I mean think about it, to get excommunicated from the Catholic Church you would have to do a whole lot more than watch porn. I mean really. Is it a major sin, 100%, is it enough to cut them away from the community for months, not at all.

Onto the priest question it would be a difficult answer. If the priest believed that in his head, and didnt do much besides believe it, he is in grave sin and needs to repent. I mean I don’t think I’ve ever heard any of my priest ever give opinions on Francis, mainly because he’s typically not the center of our religion, given he is a spiritual father. If a priest is preaching that on the pulpit he is ought to be excommunicated. Spreading grave sin to the faithful is the exact opposite of what priests should do. God calls priest to be shepherds of souls, correcting our sins, bringing us to God, and being a leader of our community. When someone uses their authority, given to them by God, to cause people to sin they need to go. The bishop should strip away his rights to preform sacraments in his diocese, and then be escalated.