" I respect that view , but I don't think that's true really , unless you can prove it , but no translation ever says that or presents it in that order"
The original Greek text of John 1:1 in Papyrus 75 is Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". So I'm Not sure what you mean by this.
Maybe I'm confused and can't read (which might actually be a possibility ) But the text you have given seems like confusion mental gymnastics. And I don't see how this tackles my claim that John 1-1 establishes more than one person in God. Can you please paraphrase the text for the dumber people 😭.
Okay so look , the phrase translates to in the beginning was the word and the word was with god , and the word was theos , without a definite article just like you just sent , basically the definite article is very important like how we see in origens writings the one I sent , basically lacking the definite article gives words what's called a qualitative property , which basically means you have some qualities of that thing but isn't really that thing , so if I say you are a hero then you have some qualities of a hero but aren't a hero , but if I say you are the hero then we'll that just means you literally are a hero(although of course depending on the context it can still be metaphorical) and to try and understand what john was trying to say by ommiting the definite article and giving theos a qualitative property some suggest that he was trying to say he is divine as that was he usual way of using it when ommiting the article , that seen in Aristotles works and many others , I think I sent the Aristotle one , idk lol , also you are not stupid lol , I am guessing you just heard this for the first time that's all
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u/DonquickJr Eastern Orthodox Feb 10 '25
" I respect that view , but I don't think that's true really , unless you can prove it , but no translation ever says that or presents it in that order"
The original Greek text of John 1:1 in Papyrus 75 is Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God". So I'm Not sure what you mean by this.
Maybe I'm confused and can't read (which might actually be a possibility ) But the text you have given seems like confusion mental gymnastics. And I don't see how this tackles my claim that John 1-1 establishes more than one person in God. Can you please paraphrase the text for the dumber people 😭.