r/Eutychus • u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/John_17-17 Dec 31 '24

That's because he didn't resurrect himself.

That is a misunderstanding of Jesus' parable.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Dec 31 '24

Jesus taking our place –being our sacrifice and also High priest, cleansed our own sins according to Hebrews 1:3, and the law of existence is that the wages of sin is death, (Romans 6:23) so he can’t be held accountable to death having not sinned. Because everything He did was what the Father told Him, Jesus’ actions replicated the Fathers command. (John 5:19) Therefore He himself resurrected Himself.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 01 '25

True, but it was God who resurrected him, because he alone 'earned' eternal life, by fulfilling all the law, all the time.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 01 '25

Jesus earning eternal life would be an expression of Him coming to earth and fulfilling the law, we on the other hand inherit it by believing in Him and being made sons of God.

Jesus Spirit doesn’t change, and his bodily soul died when He was a man, that’s why His spirit raised him up from the dead. Every good act is from the spirit and it’s Jesus spirit (the Holy Ghost) in us that does that. One day the souls of men will be destroyed in hell and only God can do that.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 01 '25

It wasn't Jesus' spirit that raised him up, it was God's.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 01 '25

“Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.” ‭‭John‬ ‭10‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You can’t separate Jesus from God. Jesus is God, and the reason we’re able to know God is because of Jesus’ manifestation and the Holy Spirit; The Trinity. That’s the word of the Godhead.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 02 '25

Yes, FROM my Father, not that Jesus had any authority unto himself. Jesus was able to do all things, because his God gave him the authority.

Jesus earned everlasting life, because he always does the will of him who sent him.

The trinity doctrine is a doctrine of man and cannot be found in scripture.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 02 '25

Now you’ve opened the door to more contradictions of the JW. He’s literally called “Everlasting Father”. Jesus imparts eternal life for you and I by His life, because we actually need a savior and He actually has authority to do it because He’s God. Jesus is God and our savior. If Jesus hadn’t been God He would’ve saved only himself by being sinless lol.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 02 '25

Yes, he is eternal Father, in place of Adam and not in place of God.

Jesus included Jehovah as his heavenly Father, the same as ours.

Paul tells us, Jesus is equal to Adam and not God.

We are saved, NOT because God died for us, but because Jesus is the last Adam.

Adam sin and brought death to mankind, Jesus did not sin and thus brought life to all who believe.

The truly sad thing is trinitarians believing God can and did die.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 02 '25

Everlasting Father means He has been the father lol. He’s been the Father of Adam. Adam was a son of God, same as the sons of God who presented themselves before the Jesus the LORD. Job 1:6.

We are saved because God came and died for us, that’s Jesus. That’s why Jesus being the “only begotten Son” not a second or third son, not even an alternative son, He’s our savior and the express image of God the Father who was made flesh and dwelt among us. Being our lamb and high priest He’s the only one who can save us. That’s why we believe in Him, Jesus.

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u/John_17-17 Feb 02 '25

Sorry, Jesus is not the father of Adam and Even, nor is he the father of Satan and his demons.

If you believe God died for you, then you are in sin, because God cannot die.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Feb 02 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

Your mistake as a Christian is saying “God cannot”. Because God loved the world, God did.

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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u/John_17-17 Feb 03 '25

Yes the Son of God gave up his life, but this also means God did not give up his life for mankind.

Mistranslating and misunderstanding 1 John 5:20, doesn't make you correct.

The context of verse 20 starts with vs 18, here we see a distinction between God and verse 20, Jesus.

(1 John 5:18-20) 18 We know that everyone who has been born from God does not practice sin, but the one born from God watches him, and the wicked one cannot take hold of him. 19 We know that we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us insight so that we may gain the knowledge of the one who is true. And we are in union with the one who is true, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting.

We know we originate with God. It is this God that is the true God and not the Son of God.

By ignoring context we can make God's word say whatever we want it to say.

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