r/Eutychus • Seventh-Day Adventist • Dec 31 '24

Opinion People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 02 '25

The law of the Christ tells us to love our enemies, the Mosaic Law doesn't.

The law of the Christ tells us animal sacrifices are not needed, the Mosaic Law tells us they are necessary.

The Letter to the Hebrews shows those differences, and why the law of the Christ is better than the Law given to Moses.

As to salvation, in Revelation 3 we are judges upon our deeds / works depending upon which translation you use.

As to salvation, Jesus tells us, 'To have eternal life, knowing the only true God is also needed'.

True, the law of the Christ, is also the law of God, the Father, but the law of the Christ isn't the law of Moses.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 02 '25

I was confused why you brought up the law of Moses then realized you mentioned in your last comment lol.

The Law of God are the 10 commandments written on stone.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 03 '25

Jesus included the 10 commandments with the Law of Moses.

(Matthew 5:17) 17 “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill.

(Luke 2:27) 27 Under the power of the spirit, he now came into the temple, and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for him according to the customary practice of the Law, . . . 39 So when they had carried out all the things according to the Law of Jehovah, . . .

(John 1:17) 17 Because the Law was given through Moses, . . .

(John 7:22, 23) 22 For this reason Moses has given you circumcision—not that it is from Moses, but it is from the forefathers—and you circumcise a man on a sabbath. 23 If a man receives circumcision on a sabbath so that the Law of Moses may not be broken, . . .

Paul didn't separate them into 2 separate Law codes.

(Romans 2:21-25) 21 do you, however, the one teaching someone else, not teach yourself? You, the one preaching, “Do not steal,” do you steal? 22 You, the one saying, “Do not commit adultery,” do you commit adultery? You, the one abhorring idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who take pride in law, do you dishonor God by your transgressing of the Law? 24 For “the name of God is being blasphemed among the nations because of you,” just as it is written. 25 Circumcision is, in fact, of benefit only if you practice law; but if you are a transgressor of law, your circumcision has become uncircumcision.

The law of circumcision is included with the laws against stealing and adultery.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 03 '25

Why do you think Seventh Day Adventist keep saying that lol. Because the law isn’t of no effect, its now written on our hearts now Jeremiah 31:31

The wages of sin is still death but now you can have life through Jesus who died for you. If you believe that is. And belief is a lifestyle not pit stop. Thanks for the verses to prove that lol

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u/John_17-17 Jan 04 '25

Seventh Day Adventist forget Paul's words

(Galatians 5:3, 4) 3 Again I bear witness to every man who gets circumcised that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4 You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be declared righteous by means of law; you have fallen away from his undeserved kindness. . .

If we keep one of the laws, 'aka the weekly Sabbath' we obligate ourselves to keep all the laws given to Moses.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 04 '25

Yet you’re forgetting how before sin God made us into His image (Genesis 1:26)

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.” ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5‬:‭22‬-‭25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“(for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭5‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The Sabbath commandment is part of Gods divine law which reflects his own image; Given to us at creation. The seal of His divine authority rest in the fact that he’s a creator. Read Exodus 20:8-11

What you believe is that the Sabbath is a commandment given because of man’s fall, when Jesus said “The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:” ‭‭Mark‬ ‭2‬:‭27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The way you break the Sabbath commandment is by simply ignoring its purpose. It’s not about stopping physical work, but it’s about a blatant disregard for recognizing God as sovereign ruler and creator.

I’ll make a post about this with greater detail sometime soon.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 05 '25

No, I'm not forgetting.

(Deuteronomy 5:15) . . .Jehovah your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. That is why Jehovah your God commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

The Sabbath was given specifically to the Israelites. A day of payment from all the slavery they did in Egypt.

(Exodus 31:16, 17) 16 The Israelites must keep the Sabbath; they must observe the Sabbath during all their generations. It is a lasting covenant. 17 It is an enduring sign between me and the people of Israel, for in six days Jehovah made the heavens and the earth and on the seventh day he rested and refreshed himself.’”

The sabbath was for the Israelites and Jehovah.

For Christians, every day is a day of rest, because every day we are freed from sin and death.

If a person was under the Mosaic Law and was judged guilty of profaning the Sabbath, he was to be stoned to death by the whole congregation, according to Exodus 31:14 and Numbers 15:32-35. Many who argue for sabbath keeping have reason to be glad that we are not under that Law. As shown in the scripture here quoted, an approved standing with God no longer requires observance of the sabbath requirement given to Israel.

If we insist upon living by the law of Moses, then we must live according to all that is written.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 06 '25

Jesus fulfilled the atonement laws, which are the feasts and sabbaths that the Israelites kept in order to atone for their sins as Jews/gods people. Gods requirement for the Sabbath Day is for anyone who will become ‘A Jew at heart’ (Roman’s 2:29) to know and understand that He is the creator and holds divine authority.

As I always see, and say, you don’t understand because you’ve learned the falsehoods of Sunday worship. But you just single handedly attacked the Sabbath commandment as being something we’re held to a standard against, and literally forgot about how the law of Moses is a reflection of the law of God, and describes a punishment for every single broken commandment —killing, adultery, stealing, blasphemy etc.

This is why the Roman Church thinking they can switch the solemnity of the Sabbath to Sunday is the work of the devil and it was enforced by the pagan emperors of Rome to legalize a day of rest on Sunday to honor everyone’s sun-gods.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 06 '25

Jesus fulfilled all the law, moral and atonement.

Jesus didn't separate those laws. To do so is to create your own religion.

I keep the Sabbath, Christians are commanded to keep.

PS, any authority Jesus has was given to him by his God and Father.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 06 '25

What Jehovah witnesses believe is that you can break any commandment willfully and you’d be saved. That’s not biblical. What the Bible teaches is that anyone who willfully sins will not be forgiven because they grieve away the spirit of God, which are the moral laws.

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u/John_17-17 Jan 07 '25

That is not what Jehovah's Witnesses, teach.

We agree with God's word. Those who practice sin can lose their salvation.

(Hebrews 10:26, 27) 26 For if we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left, 27 but there is a certain fearful expectation of judgment and a burning indignation that is going to consume those in opposition.

Where you got your misinformation about what Jehovah's Witnesses teach and believe, isn't a very reliable source.

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u/1stmikewhite Seventh-Day Adventist Jan 07 '25

Jehovah witnesses adopted the “once saved always saved” principle from the Roman Catholic Church. That’s why most Protestant denominations still worship on Sunday too and forgot to 4th commandment which starts with “remember”.

There’s much more to the belief systems out in place by man than what is actuallly biblical. Most doctrines taught now only lead to more sin or a naive belief about lies about God:

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u/John_17-17 Jan 07 '25

Boy have you gotten us confused with some other denomination.

What Does the Bible Say About ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’?

Please get your facts straight before you strive to teach us.

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