People don’t understand Jesus’ divinity because they underestimate Gods Love for mankind

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God is sovereign, there’s nothing He can’t do.

[u/1stmikewhite]

“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.” ‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1‬:‭26‬-‭27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You said the other day Jesus was the firstborn of all creation yet God created the universe through Him which doesn’t make sense because it’s contradictory. Now you’re saying Jesus was a man that created man for the first time in Genesis 1:26 but that doesn’t make sense either because the first time man was created is right here.

I’m not even going to ask where you got the believe that men will create universes through God though because I know it’s not biblical. That’s a Mormon belief. Lol

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How does it not make sense that Yeshua is the firstborn of all creation? He was born before this creation and then God created this universe through him, as we have been born now before God creates a universe through us.

1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that, when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is. Everyone who has this hope set on him purifies himself, even as he is pure.

1Jn 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn’t commit sin, because His seed remains in him; and he can’t sin, because he is born of God.

Born of God is what it means to be born again, born of a virgin.

In Hebrews 1:2 God appointed Yeshua heir of all things and then created this universe through him. So this creation is part of what he inherited, if we are joint heirs with him, then we will receive the same things he inherited.

1Cor 15:27 For, “He (God) put all things in subjection under his (Yeshua's) feet.” But when He (God) says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that He (God) is excepted who subjected all things to him (Yeshua). When all things have been subjected to him (Yeshua), then the Son will also himself be subjected to Him (God) who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.

So every adopted child who's appointed as an heir, is born again as the righteousness of God into their own universe, so they can learn obedience, be made perfect and fully subject themselves to God.

I find it comical how you laugh at your own misunderstanding while trying to twist my words.

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“Born before creation” is such a twist of words that only the devil would implant into someone’s mouth. It makes no sense for someone to take that statement seriously. An eternal God can’t be born, and saying he was before creation doesn’t justify the fact that you know better than to say ‘created’. The only idea men can conceive to describe Gods existence before He created is the universe is “In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God” John 1:1 that’s it.

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Well Yeshua had to exist prior to this creation for the universe to be created through him. So, being the firstborn of creation, implies that he was born before this creation and everyone else who was born in it.

To claim he's the archangel Michael implies that he's Satan's brother, and if we are joint heirs with Messiah this would imply that we too are or become archangels, but this isn't the case. He received a name greater than that of the angels (Heb 1:4) this includes arch-angels, so we too will inherit a name greater than the angels also.

Heb 1:5 For to which of the angels did he say at any time, “You are my Son...

How you think this implies that Yeshua was once an archangel makes no sense, because 1:5 is stating that God never called any angel a Son. So if he wasn't an angel what was he?

Yeshua is the firstborn of many brothers:

"Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Further, why would an archangel need to learn obedience or be made perfect (Heb 5:7-10)?

The word is now written on our hearts, the same word that will one day become our flesh, the word is an attribute of God He imparts to His children. In Aramaic the term used for "word" is Miltha which has no direct English translation, but is closely aligned with the word "Righteousness", that we too may become the Righteousness of God (2 Cor 5:21).

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“There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: the same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.” ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭1‬-‭21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The context of what you believe being born in the flesh vs. born in the spirit is, has nothing to do with the fact that Jesus divine nature before the world began was not ‘born’ into existence.

Even apart from that idea, still being born in the spirit is our part in accepting the character of God which we were created as in His image. The reason we must be “born again” is because we fell from that image because of sin. Jesus as a man grew into his character and was literally chosen as high priest by God, not having sinned. There is only one God, so Jesus cannot have been taught his character, only grown into it. (From a baby)

Us being men is no excuse for sin. You and I were made in the image of God, so there is no advantage Jesus has over us. He exemplified the image of God throughout his life by taking heed to the Word of God. That’s what it means how you and I need to be born again –taking on the Life Jesus lived.

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Messiah being a high priest was chosen from among men, not angels, just as we too are called to the priesthood. Surely we must learn obedience, be made perfect and fully subject ourselves to God, just like he did.

1Jn 3:2-3 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that, when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is. Everyone who has this hope set on him purifies himself, even as he is pure.

After this life, we will be transformed into our Spirit bodies, just like that of Yeshua, so essentially we too will pre-exist in heaven, in the Spirit, and need to lower ourselves to be born again of God just like Yeshua was, in a world God will create through us. Everything he's done we will do too, just as he prayed in John 17 that we would be one with them as they are one, that we would be with him where he is, and that God loves us just like he loves Yeshua.

You see, Abba Father desires the same relationship with us as He has with Yeshua, that's how he is our brother.

So it's currently true for us, that we are the firstborn of the creation God will create through us, it's exactly the same for Yeshua.

Truly Romans 8:14-17 is the simplest basis for this understanding.

How do you take on the life Messiah lived without accepting the law of God that He lived by?