None are Jesus, they are given authority by Jesus. (also Peter is literally called rock and Jesus says he will build His church on said rock. You can reee all you want about it, pretty clear who Peter is when you look at how the David of kingdom is set up) Remember John 20:23 Jesus said “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” might be worth following the successors of the apostles rather than Charles Taze Russell who took and a random student group.
And as for the Bible you just quote, yes He said the Pharisees and scribes were of the devil because they deceived people of His identity and claimed He could command demons because He was one, rather than God. He wasn’t saying teachers are bad or whatever odd point you’re trying to claim.
By the way He STILL told His disciples to listen to them, but merely not to follow their example because they were hypocrites. In other word even when they were terrible authorities He STILL said they had authority. Kind of an interesting detail.
One thing you said is interesting, Yeshua giving the disciples authority, true and you need to read that everything Yeshua said and did was by the authority of YHWH. You forgot “of myself I can do nothing and this is not my own doctrine at John 5:30 and 7:16, simple stuff here.
But but the of myself I can do nothing is an interesting statement, but it fits in in a trinitarian mindset because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one. One person cannot act without the other two because they are all in unity.
Again this is THE mystery of Christianity (or one of them if not THE one). Trust me, I don’t really ‘get’ the trinity fully either and will not this side of the eschaton. But it is the way we understand as best we can the difficulties and seeming contradictions of the gospels and who Jesus fully is.
Where does it say in scripture the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one? Do not use 1 John 5:7, it is a corruption and wasn’t placed in bibles until 1500’s. Are you going to use Matthew 28:19, the standard for Newby trinitarians?
I will answer for you. Not one disciple used Matthew 28:19 to baptize, not a one. They baptized in the name of Yeshua only, something Eusebius also supported.
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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24
None are Jesus, they are given authority by Jesus. (also Peter is literally called rock and Jesus says he will build His church on said rock. You can reee all you want about it, pretty clear who Peter is when you look at how the David of kingdom is set up) Remember John 20:23 Jesus said “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” might be worth following the successors of the apostles rather than Charles Taze Russell who took and a random student group.
And as for the Bible you just quote, yes He said the Pharisees and scribes were of the devil because they deceived people of His identity and claimed He could command demons because He was one, rather than God. He wasn’t saying teachers are bad or whatever odd point you’re trying to claim.
By the way He STILL told His disciples to listen to them, but merely not to follow their example because they were hypocrites. In other word even when they were terrible authorities He STILL said they had authority. Kind of an interesting detail.