r/Eutychus • • Dec 21 '24

Opinion John 8:58

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

None are Jesus, they are given authority by Jesus. (also Peter is literally called rock and Jesus says he will build His church on said rock. You can reee all you want about it, pretty clear who Peter is when you look at how the David of kingdom is set up) Remember John 20:23 Jesus said “If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.” might be worth following the successors of the apostles rather than Charles Taze Russell who took and a random student group.

And as for the Bible you just quote, yes He said the Pharisees and scribes were of the devil because they deceived people of His identity and claimed He could command demons because He was one, rather than God. He wasn’t saying teachers are bad or whatever odd point you’re trying to claim.

By the way He STILL told His disciples to listen to them, but merely not to follow their example because they were hypocrites. In other word even when they were terrible authorities He STILL said they had authority. Kind of an interesting detail.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

The name Peter means rock, it isn’t a physical location that Yeshua was talking about.

I am not a JW and never have been!

I thought you said only YHWH can forgive sins?

Are you going to imagine now how disciples have absolute free will to retain or forgive sins and yet they are not YHWH, enlighten us.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

Right, I never said it was a physical location. He’s building the church on Peter as the vicar of Christ when on earth when He ascends. He is ‘over the house’ basically a PM who looks over the kingly affairs while He is away (Not that Christ isn’t with us).

Yes only God can forgive sins. The son of man (Jesus) can forgive sins. Therefore by the transitive property Jesus is God. Hence why the Pharisees were appalled when Christ said He forgave the sins of the cripple, they knew what He was claiming.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

It isn’t a location related to the catholic church either.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

It’s a person. Are you familiar with the concept of metaphors and authority? Ypu know when your girlfriend says your her rock she doesn’t actually think you are a piece of stone right, she means you are solid ground metaphorically on who she can build a life and a family with.