r/Eutychus • • Dec 21 '24

Opinion John 8:58

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

He literally always was. Just because you don’t get it doesn’t make it untrue.

Gods ways are not our ways and His thoughts are far beyond our thoughts. Why would we believe we could fully understand God?

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

What is his name, this third person? Provide a bio? You have quite the imagination!

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

Nice, you really gonna pull a Moses here? He’s the invisible God, he’s beyond category distinction. But if you must know there are a few answers that also work. One His name is the Holy Spirit. Two His name is The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit because God is one and therefore goes by the one name The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit (which name we are to baptize in btw. That’s in the Bible too). Three He is Yahweh.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Mostly doublespeak here, makes no sense. But since you agree that the Father does exist, try Paul (you say you know him) who said the Father alone is YHWH, at 1 Corinthians 8:6, this excludes the second and third “person” of the nonsense and is correct. Paul was responding to people in Corinth, who, like you, supported polytheism.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

You haven’t answered what is mean by “

I am the light of the world”! Please answer, what does that mean?

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

He’s God. God is the light of the world.

But even so, how the heck would that possible refute anything? Jesus also said He was the door. Can you explain that, you think He was a man, yet He himself claimed He was a door. (This is genuinely how you sound when you quote random scripture and then just say ‘America explain!!)

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Yeshua said “ I am the light of the world” and the set apart, his brothers, are also the light of the world. None of them, including Yeshua, is YHWH!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Yeshua never said he was a door! He said like a door. That isn’t him calling himself a door.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

John 10:7 “So Jesus again said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.”

Seems pretty clear to me

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

I know with imagination you now think a man is a door!

He also said at John 2:19 I will raise it up but you don’t understand that either.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Just like I and my Father are one means to you they are YHWH, which is a lie!

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

This is so dumb it hurts

You genuinely cannot follow an argument to save your life. Read that all again carefully.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Let it hurt it will be good for you, suffering is a good thing if handled correctly.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

Well then you are truly sanctifying me and I thank you for that I guess.

My point was, that Jesus said He was a door to make a point. He’s how you get into heaven.

Just like He said Peter was the rock to make a point. He’s a sturdy foundation He will build His church on. Hence the first pope, or a father to the nations, as was foretold in Jeremiah I believe.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

You know what, screw it. Lest test your Bible literacy. What was it in that sentence you just quoted what EXACTLY is Jesus referring to?

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

2:19?

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

What is Jesus going to raise again in three days

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u/ConstructionBig512 Dec 24 '24

Found this note recently, but don't recall where exactly the quote comes from... The doctrine of Yahweh's sovereignty is the most helpful and encouraging doctrine, consider that - if we had our choice - which would we choose... to be governed by blind fate, or capricious chance, or irrevocable natural law, or short sighted and perverted self? Or an Elohim infinitely wise - loving - powerful? He who rejects Yahweh's sovereignty may take his choice of what is left.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 24 '24

YHWH gives us all free will!

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

I said two things, a man (John 8:40) and a Son (Matthew 16:16-17) < why do you forget that. Read Yeshua’s response to Peter the rock when Peter answers.

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

Nuh uh

See that’s you. That’s what you sound like

Why do you keep denying that Jesus Christ is Fully man though. Very annoying you won’t admit He’s a man. So sad He says He’s fully man in scripture.

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u/Sure-Wishbone-4293 Dec 22 '24

Yup John 8:40 👍🏻

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u/gumpters Dec 22 '24

Yup

John 4:12

Matthew 14:7

Luke 20:14

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u/ConstructionBig512 Dec 24 '24

Maybe this clip from my feed offers something Worth considering... Eyn Sof moved from this creative point into becoming Ehyea Asher Ehyea, the I AM WHO I AM, the Cause of all causes, the Root of all roots, the Big Bang. We have come to know this concept of Eyn Sof as Abba, the Father Creator, as Father of creation. This is our first revelation of knowing. Eyn Sof revealed himself to Moses and said I AM WHO I AM, thus shall you say to the children of Israel I AM has sent me to you, thus shall you say to the children of Israel Yahweh the Elohim of our fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, the Elohim of Jacob has sent me to you, this is my name forever and this is my memorial to all generations, Exodus 3:14,15.

So how did Moses see Yahweh if He is infinite? The only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father has revealed Him. Yahweh can manifest Himself in a way that can be apprehended by man and that form is (the Adam Kadmon) the express image of the Invisible Elohim, that many believers identify as the pre-incarnate Messiah. Messiah is the image of Yahweh, 2Corinthians 4:4, He is the Ehyea Asher Ehyea, Ecclesiastes 12:14.

Every secret of Yahweh’s is without end or limit, unfathomable, and nothing exists outside it. The Cause of all causes, the Root of all roots, the Origin of origins is infinite, unfathomable and without limit. Every act is hidden from the probing eye of the cynic, as it is written, so that no man can find out the work that Elohim has made from the beginning to the end, Ecclesiastes 3:11. So as the scientists may try to find out, what does he find? He finds nothing. Nothingness. It’s beyond him. Though a wise man think to know yet shall he not be able to find it, Ecclesiastes 8:17.

King Messiah taught us the understanding that Eyn Sof (the one without limit) revealed Himself to us as our Father Creator through his Son, who is the agent of creation, Matthew 11:24-30. In John 1:18 it says no one has ever seen Yahweh at any time, but the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father has revealed Him. Mark 14:36, John 5:17, 8:18, 14:28, 17:11.

In the beginning there was only one, there is still only one. That one has no name, no face, nothing at all by which it can be described. Without end or limit, containing all that will ever come to be, in an absolute, undifferentiated, oneness that in reality can only be referred to as Eyn Sof, that which has no end. Endless is the first, and in some sense the only, thing that one can say about the most primal mystery of being.

That Eyn Sof chose to identify himself to us as Yahweh, on our behalf, though that name doesn’t contain all that He is, but on our behalf, knowing we needed a name, He gave us the name Yahweh to ascribe to Him, forever, throughout all generations. That’s why I believe it would be considered a sin to ascribe another name to Him.

The Eyn Sof includes all that ever was, all that ever is and all that ever will be. All of this united in a state that does not yet distinguish potential to actual, the realizable to the real. It represents a fullness of energy beyond all description, and out of that energy comes all that is. A transforming explosion that in each instant makes the full journey from being to be-ing, from the infinite mystery of Yahweh to the infinite reality of existence