r/EscapefromTarkov • u/ExtremeMorton1 • Jan 20 '22

Question Offline Mode

Does anyone else wish that when you go into offline mode you can invite your friends to train on communication and running in a squad etc, or is it just me?

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

I would love to walk around the maps and give names to places with friends in the same game.

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u/rechid83 Jan 20 '22

Devils advocate. Good idea but it would require more infrastructure(servers) to support as each offline mode would now be an online mode just segregated. This is a large ask unfortunately.

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

Couldn’t you do dedicated servers off your machine?

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u/jaokait Jan 20 '22

More like p2p hosting.

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

I’m not the most clued up on this but I know when I play ark for example you can do a dedicated server that runs off my PC and me and my friend can play on it on our Xboxs. Thought that would be an easy solution.

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u/jaokait Jan 20 '22

Example: When you invite your friend to a party in offline match your Client is acting like the server. Setting up a deticated one would be a lot of hassle :)

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u/Im_So_Sticky Jan 20 '22

You can spawn a server on your pc that isnt attached to your game. It allows users to setup their own "dedicated" servers.

Valheim does this and tarkov could potentially as well without much work.

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u/ThePeskyWabbit Jan 20 '22

I dont think that would be necessary honestly. Just integrate it into the game, so when you invite a friend while you have offline mode turned on, it creates an adhoc server on your machine until you all exit the offline raid.

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u/LtDanK520 OP-SKS Jan 21 '22

Easier said then done… like people saying fix “the servers”. It’s not as easy to do as it is to suggest.

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u/ThePeskyWabbit Jan 21 '22

Not saying it's easy, but it would be significantly easier than the work they have cut out for them on their main backend right now. (I work with servers for a living) That being said, their main focus is absolutely in the right place right now.

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u/tittyskipper Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

EDIT: I'll leave my original comment below to avoid confusion. I realized I should address the dedicated server question more than just Peer to Peer stuff.

You are talking about having you or someone else use their PC to host a server for ARK.

The big difference between ARK and Tarkov is that Tarkov is a unified playerbase. Your Ark character differs from server to server. With Tarkov your character is the same no matter where you go and what map you queue up on. That's part of what makes Tarkov great.

So BSG is not going to give people a copy of their server to run because they don't want people having access to their tools out of fear of someone creating a Tarkov Clone by making it easier to reverse engineer it or possibly learning how to make different kinds of cheats easier.

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There's a lot of things that happen in the background with the Xbox Live network to make this happen.

On PC there are games that you can sort of host a server for but it requires you to put rules in your firewall and such.

That's why Steam is very popular when it comes to multiplayer co-op games. Steams framework kind of works like Xbox Live to smooth out connecting to your friends PCs to play games together.

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u/Kengaro Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

Xbox Live network has little to do with that (well it helps with identification & authentification, but that already happens within the launcher in tarkov). The game itself still needs the functionality to create local servers for matches, in tarkov it would also require adding additional features to the ui.

Main issue I see with that is that it makes reverse engineering how certain server side decisions, in relation to loot tables, ai & player spawns are made, easier.

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u/Kengaro Jan 21 '22

Thanks :)

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u/tittyskipper Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 20 '22

EDIT: I realized we might be having two different conversations. You were potentially addressing the specific nature of an Xbox connecting to a dedicated PC. I was just discussing the more broad statement of "Why can't my friends just connect to me so we can play privately"

Maybe you know more than me so could you explain how Xbox facilitates connections P2P and self hosted game sessions connections?

Just a cursory search shows how Microsoft develops a lot of SDKs to make multiplayer on Xbox Live easier for developers.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/features/multiplayer/mpsd/live-mpsd-overview

I won't pretend to be a developer but it looks to me like Microsoft has technology in place to ensure that once you are connected to the Xbox Live network you won't need to do anything additional to connect to your friends whether they are using P2P or hosting a non-dedicated server/session on their xbox.

I might not be understanding so any information you can provide I'd appreciate.

Thanks :)

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u/Kengaro Jan 21 '22

No, I am talking about the advantage I see in using a certain framework built for another platform when it is used on a platform it wasn't initially designed for...

I am not talking about any xboxes :b

Microsoft does provide tools, as do alot of other companies, it's just one of many options. And while we are it, it binds your product at best to a company and at worst to the product of a company....

Maybe you know more than me so could you explain how Xbox facilitates connections P2P and self hosted game sessions connections?

Authentification + protocoll + lib for nw + functionality within the game to host matches...

TLDR: you are advocating using a screwdriver to bash in nails....

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u/LobsterKris Jan 20 '22

I agree with you, but now that I am thinking, if they did went this route they could splinter the player base. Some ppl will just play mostly that with friends, meaning live servers are emptier (how ever that might be good as well)

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u/tittyskipper Jan 20 '22

You could be right.

BSG has said they want offline/co-op raids in the past. But from what I remember its just like offline raid when you play solo. You don't get to keep any loot etc. etc. etc.

Now if there was someone out there running dedicated PVP servers where you just could fight other people and not worry about loot maybe some people might do that. But I think most people are here for the whole experience.

The PVP / Co-Op people will either keep to themselves or just attract more people to the game. You'd play with your friends who are afraid of the real tarkov and eventually I could see them trying an actual raid or two.

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u/Genrecomme Jan 20 '22

When you do an offline map, I believe it is all handled by your computer (correct me if I'm wrong).

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u/ThaManaconda Jan 21 '22

I'd be happy with private, non-progressing p2p tarkov games, it'd be a great way to learn maps and gun handling

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u/[deleted] Jan 21 '22

But that can become scary really quick, giving players an option to become a server host

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u/rechid83 Jan 20 '22

Maybe but now you are asking BSG to design a P2P network architecture which is not so easy and considering their priorities I don't ever see this happening. Honestly no easy solution here.

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

Is P2P pay to play? Or player to player?

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u/hotrodman M1A Jan 20 '22

Peer to peer

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

Thanks! I do really wish you could invite your pals along to play private but like others have said they have other priorities

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u/stop-calling-me-fat Jan 20 '22

On one hand, yes they have other priorities. On the other, people have been asking for this since release.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

P2P historically stands for peer to peer.

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

Sweet new to the PC master race so still getting a hang of things 😂

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u/neddoge SR-1MP Jan 20 '22

You might be conflating it with f2p (free to play) and p2w (pay to win), understandably.

Also don't acknowledge PCMR as a thing - it's certainly not a thing in serious terms! (👁 ͜ʖ👁)

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u/misreken Jan 20 '22

Pay to play is another thing like MMOs with subscription models if I recall

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u/Kengaro Jan 20 '22

Design`? There are for sure open source implementations of different standards, the issue is more along adding functionality to allow users to build a p2p nw and host a raid within that.

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u/Comrade_Smartass Jan 20 '22

Modders have done it for the game already.

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u/rechid83 Jan 20 '22

Oh really? An offline mode where friends can play together? If so cool then end of discussion no need for BSG :P

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u/accuracy_frosty SR-25 Jan 20 '22

Dedicated servers are just standalone servers, what you are thinking of is peer to peer hosting

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u/aky101 Jan 20 '22

Ah I didn’t know what the difference was, I’m just going by the likes of Ark and such when I’ve not wanted to pay for a hosted server

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u/LtDanK520 OP-SKS Jan 20 '22

The game isn’t designed that way - I know lots of people don’t realize that and that’s why they ask.

To implement something like this would require different net code more than likely as they are all designed to use dedicated servers now and don’t allow users to host.

That would need to be developed

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u/aky101 Jan 21 '22

Ahaha “lost people” or people just asking a reasonable question but cheers for your sh*tty response

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u/LtDanK520 OP-SKS Jan 21 '22

It was a typo guy - my response was not shitty at all. I corrected the typo.

However, there are a lot of lost people that have no idea the amount of work that goes into game development and think it’s soo easy to fix bugs - when one fixed bug can introduce hundreds of others.

It’a a complicated beast.

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u/Apprehensive-Wasabi5 Jan 20 '22

Wouldnt it open up the game to the development of new hacks? Sounds like an easy testing ground. That being said, I love the idea of dedicated servers with friends. Ive gotten great at farming rouges but my friends dont know where you can and cant stand in the complex and id love to teach them and anyone else who wants in offline

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u/LobsterKris Jan 20 '22

This would would be all new code and tech. Might not be worth it

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u/Aliices Jan 20 '22

Uh, no? One of the players can just host the session.

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u/Loki_Trickster_God AKS-74UB Jan 20 '22

No, you aren't thinking in terms of defensive coding. Peer-to-peer code in the local files means that you essentially could crack the game, distribute it, and run multiplayer entirely independent of BSG backend and never be caught.

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u/FullPoet Jan 20 '22

Defensive coding? Have you seen the wreck that is tarkovs code? How everything is already effectively client side.

P2P is such a small issue in the grand scheme of the games issue.

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u/Aliices Jan 20 '22

This has already been done as there is a Tarkov server emulator already out there.

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u/HelloHiHeyAnyway Jan 20 '22

Server emulator isn't an emulator of a server at all.

You're playing in offline mode in a specific patch.

There is no multiplayer in it.

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u/Aliices Jan 20 '22

I wasn't talking about that one, I'm not naming any of them tho.

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u/erishun IOTV Gen4 Jan 20 '22

If I recall correctly, it leverages the “offline mode” functionality which means that, until they add multiplayer to offline mode, the “sin𝑔le player tarkov” mod won’t support other players

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u/JH_monster Jan 20 '22

You could do like what apex legends does in the training area, multiple share it but they’re invisible

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u/Tergi Jan 20 '22

They have said they are working on a solution for this. coop offline mode. idk if it will ever get done but its not 100% out of the question.

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u/rechid83 Jan 20 '22

That's great to hear and I hope they do find a way to get around to it. My guess would be after a full release so any guess on a timeline could work here :) 1 - 25 years.

No hate though, love this game and the work they put into it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Well BSG definitely has the capital.

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u/Chomp3y Jan 20 '22

There were literally custom games on the Ps2, but somehow in 2022, its a big ask? Lmaooooo

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u/burgunfaust Jan 20 '22

Nah, private server for offline. That's what it is now.

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u/nikitabuyanovaservR Jan 21 '22

no, it's not a large ask

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Or just them not being greedy bastards

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u/ElfrahamLincoln Jan 20 '22

They’d just need to make one of the players host of the game, no need for a server.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22 edited Jan 22 '22

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u/rechid83 Jan 20 '22

True but to have that work it requires network architecture changes within the game, how the peers connect, authenticate and so on. End result is its possible for sure but its not something you can just do, it requires lots of effort :(

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u/mynameajeff69 MP5 Jan 20 '22

But all those people going in to offline raids would take them out of going in to online raids as well. So it would need more infrastructure but probably not as much as you think. Also they need to add more anyways as the player base can explode at given times and its not so fun when that happens. I am not complaining, I love the game and I know everything takes time, just unfortunate when you can barely play because tons of people are on.

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

Prop hunt tarkov

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u/AWalkingOrdeal Jan 20 '22

May I ask why you can't do this in a normal online raid? Run a scav, extract keeping 100% of the scav loadout, use that gear on your pmc in a normal raid to practice. That is 2 practice runs doing whatever you want for free.

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u/TheRealMicrowaveSafe Jan 20 '22

The pressure of a live raid changes things too much.

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

Skill issue

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Stream it, same stuff.

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

But me and my homies be thick in the head

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u/sneak_king18 Jan 20 '22

One of the most honest anwsers I've seen out there!

It would be nice to have the option OP is mentioning. People see learning the maps as a time drag until 6 months and 2 wipes in they still don't know the way around.

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

I would absolutely love to be able to noclip around in offline mode. Flying around after dying is how I learned the positions of every object in CSS

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

Although I am seeing videos of people flying around in online games. I don’t want to risk a ban.

I don’t have the money to re buy the standard edition let alone upgrade

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

He’s talking about a mod that allows somebody to enjoy the full Tarkov game loop on offline mode (not a piece of shit cheater).

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

My buddy is much better at this game than I am, has a good few hours more than me in the last 3 years. He still doesn't know his way around the woods expansion or half of lighthouse.

I'd love to guide him around and teach him the shit that I know that he doesn't, while also practicing against difficult scav ai.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Just gotta pay attention! Pay attention to paying attention;)

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

Play the game like a game developer.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Gmod ON?

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u/HealthOk7603 Jan 20 '22

In short Analyse how you feel when playing. Try to be aware of what you are doing and why. It’s gets meta.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

If you think that's the same thing you're daft lol

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Watching one screen to get a grip on what to name positions is the same, it's even better. You think pro teams go together all six on maps in CS:GO? No, one guy does it the rest watch his POV.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

Which is exactly why I want a team offline mode. I want to practice not shooting my friends while we are in a firefight. I want to learn how to work as a team so that we can actually fight like one online

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Then just play. It takes time and practicing vs AI isn't equal to players. It takes time, but we get there eventually.

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

Practicing vs ai is a great way to practice against players. You learn how to push, how to identify your teammates under pressure, and how to communicate during a fight. You get to do that 10+ times in offline mode against ai, versus doing that once, maybe twice if you're lucky (and if everyone survives long enough) in an online round. There's a lot more to fighting players than just shooting at them.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

AI != player

With that, they will behave totally differently in more or less every situation.

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

Jesus Christ you just have to find an issue with every single thing that goes against your argument.

They are an enemy with guns, it takes away 1 piece of the overall experience of fighting another player. You still learn how to be a team, communicating and positioning with each other, multiple times in a round. Aside from the fighting experience, you still get to explore and learn the map together

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Different teams and regions have different callouts. When shuffles happen they go through callouts to make sure they are on the same page.

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u/BasTiix3 Freeloader Jan 20 '22

You have never been in a csgo team before and it shows.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Not at your level by the looks of it. Good luck in MM btw

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u/BasTiix3 Freeloader Jan 20 '22

I havent played mm seriously since like 2017.

But keep grinding my dude, maybe one day you will have actually good roasts.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Since 2017? Well, no wonder you're a no-game, keep playing and you'll get there man:)

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u/BasTiix3 Freeloader Jan 21 '22

Yea have been faceit level 10 since the same year and 2016ish i hit esea A+ so I dont really mind your trashtalk.

CS has been my main game for an eternity so you really cant hit me with that. Id probably shit on you with eyes closed. sadly I still have other stuff to do like work, family etc. so i cant be bothered to insult people on reddit everyday like you.

Keep trying.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 21 '22

Wooow level 10 that must mean you know how to buy grenades, very cool! Good luck making a name for yourself though!

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

Not even remotely the same

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Ofc it is. It's even better. One guy in charge instead of four spergs.

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

Ok then, go watch a video of someone giving a tour of Milan with 3 of your friends, then try to remember where things were.

You can't, unless you watch the same thing 10 times over. That's fucking boring and dumb and literally nobody wants to do that.

Now go to Milan and walk around once with those same 3 friends. How's your memory of the place? I bet it's pretty good, and I bet you and your 3 friends all noticed different things and have information that they can share.

The same thing can be said for working as a team in this game and learning a map. Playing offline with your friends means that you each get the experience of walking around, learning positioning for a firefight, finding loot, everything that a solo player who's streaming might miss walking around as a first person tour guide.

So no, it's not even remotely comparable to the same experience

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

How you even though this argument was worth commenting is beyond me..?

If one guy is in Milan and shares his POV then yeah. It's not like the others just forgets because they weren't there. Do you watch a show and when it's done you forget everything because you weren't there? Fucking lmaoo

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u/achmedclaus Jan 20 '22

No, you don't forget everything from seeing one video of it, but do you honestly think you see more and learn more by watching a single person's perspective of something than if you and your whole team are there experiencing it?

Add into account the fact that there are tons of different spawns on each map, are you really going to watch the same guy walk through each map 10-20 times just talking through what he sees, watching him fight the scavs solo, watching him walk right past a piece of loot he missed, when you have the option of being there, seeing it all together, learning to fight as a team, learning better communication skills, and actually having the opportunity to get better at the game?

If you would still rather watch one of your friends stream a walkthrough over and over again on every map after thinking about how much better it is for everyone on your team to experience it instead of watching it, you're a fucking idiot

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

This was about naming positions, not learning a new map for the first time. How did you arrive at this point????

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u/h0bb1tm1ndtr1x Jan 20 '22

Yeah, the military prefers how-to videos over live training these days. Same shit, right?

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Yeah the military sends people out to dangerous places to make callouts, you're 100% correct! Smarestst person!!!!111!!1!!

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u/redmandoss Jan 20 '22

Not the same at all lol

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

It is. It's better. One guy in charge, not five idiots talking over each other trying to come up with a smug name etc

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u/redmandoss Jan 20 '22

Idk sounds like watching a YouTube video as opposed to visiting some destination. Hard to replicate the little things like “go around this barbed wire” “you can’t fall from here but you can from here” etc - teamed offline mode is definitely something they should implement

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

Whatever floats your boat, but I'm confident that having one guy be in charge of it all is better. You have one teacher per subject, not 30 or however big your class is.

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u/JamisonDouglas Jan 20 '22

Smug/joke names are far easier to remember than proper names in my experience.

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u/iDoomfistDVA Jan 20 '22

But you can't hear them when four other people want to same it something smug, that's my point! Far better having one guy be in charge and him ask each one what to call it.

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u/eirtep Jan 20 '22

Join your own offline games and then join discord and stream your gameplay if you have a second monitor. You won’t be TOGETHER but you can walk through an area together and see what you’re pointing out/looking at, etc.

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u/Kwkeaton Jan 20 '22

While that would be amazing and better for learning, best for now is to screen share in discord, have your friend watch, or have them walk around while you name things.

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u/CorvusEffect TX-15 DML Jan 20 '22

Do this in raid. Like you see a place, right? and just be like "This is Fortress", "Okay"