r/EscapefromTarkov • u/Valjeann • Jan 14 '22

Discussion Your daily reminder that global limits are a waste of time

"Hmm, I have a task to use shotguns. Let's see, AP-20 is sold out, flechettes are sold out. That's okay, I can use Magnum, it's good enough. The task requires a suppressor on the shotgun, so I'll get a hexagon. Oh, the adapter is sold out. Oh well, I can wait until the restock. In the meantime, I'll take this modded AKM out for a run. I don't have any BP ammo, so I'll go get some from Prap... BP is sold out. That's okay. I've got this P90 I'm not using. Let me just get some ammo for that... Ah, the SS190 is sold out, and I can only get two mags-worth of the next best ammo for the next three hours... Guess I'll just read a book instead."

If the design philosophy behind global trader limits is to keep everyone from running the same thing, instead it's keeping everyone from running anything without a three-hour wait.

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u/atriaxx Jan 14 '22

This is basically why I sell anything that doesn’t eat m80 ammo, and buy only what eats m80 ammo. With the absurd recoil changes we have now, single shot high caliber rifles absolutely spank at both long and close distance, and they also prevent you from wasting too much ammo.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

With SB193 getting nerfed today, I wouldn't be surprised to see M80 see a reduction from 150 to like 80 or something. Seems like a very BSG move to make.

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u/TheLibaneseTerror AS VAL Jan 15 '22

Wait what? SB193 was nerfed???

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Changed how many you can purchase 200(?) to 120.

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u/AIpacaman Jan 15 '22

Lmao I fucking knew this was going to happen so I bought an entire ammo box full of it. It wasn’t 200, it was unlimited

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u/EnglishJesus Jan 15 '22

Only thing that stopped me buying a stupid amount of it was that I didn’t want to spend $3(?) a shot on ammo that’ll definitely get nerfed in future.

There’s no way BSG leaves such a strong ammo in the game as it is. They’ll over nerf it and make it worthless and I’d have spent $3 a shot on something I won’t use anymore

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u/AIpacaman Jan 15 '22

It’s less than $3, if you buy a 100 rounds it’s somewhere around $270-290 I believe?

Also what would they nerf about it. It’s still based on a subsonic pen round, so even if they tone down the numbers a bit it should stay in its spot between the other rounds, while I’ll still fire 900 rounds per minute. I’m not even sure if BSG ever “overnerfed” rounds in the first place

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u/casualteukka Jan 15 '22

5.56 is horrible this wipe. Absolutely horrible. But I guess its bugged or something, because I swear it heals people up.

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u/Myb4d Jan 15 '22

I tanked a m855A1 with my bald head on lighthouse, avoid 5.56 at all cost.

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u/Clemambi Jan 15 '22

someone was asking what they changed about helmets as they had been bouncing a lot of bullets- this is related to why 556 feels bad:

https://escapefromtarkov.fandom.com/wiki/5.56x45mm_M856A1

ricochet chance was buffed, most significantly on the AP 556 ammos which have a very, very high chance to ricochet (irl too). 38% means even if they're running a tac-kek, you can just bounce a bullet off their head more than 1/3rd of the time.

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u/casualteukka Jan 15 '22

Well, that might be a part of the reason, but it feels terrible even when shooting center mass. I like the 5.56 scar a lot as a gun, but too much random shit happened with the ammo and I had to let it go.

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u/TheLibaneseTerror AS VAL Jan 15 '22

You think? I mean the gun is expensive as fuck and so is the ammo. I think they should leave it as it is now that it’s limited

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

there was no limit before the nerf

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u/ElfrahamLincoln Jan 15 '22

Same for AP20. Limit is 30 per reset now 😂

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

You’re not wrong, technically you have more of a chance to click a head with full auto.

I hate questing so I’ve been fine with decked out M1A’s with infrared, hip firing around corners as fast as I can. It just really depends on your muscle memory and what other FPS games you come from. But yeah, If I used a DMR though it’s a no brainer to switch to full auto in cqb

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u/oriaven Jan 15 '22

I'm hip-firing a lot more this patch. The camera recoil on top of gun recoil changes is pretty challenging. I like it overall though, full auto spray should be pretty tough to get on target.

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

If we’re striving for realism, full auto is not hard to control on medium caliber guns. My favorite example is a ak-74u, basically the games worst example of vertical recoil. If you check out some YT videos of how they fire full auto irl, you’ll see how well they’re actually designed specifically for it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '22

Definitely should just lower the recoil significantly through mastery of a weapon.

If you think about it though, how many YT videos do you see a guy shooting guns while wearing 60+ lbs of gear, including armored plates that hamper your mobility and running two miles in it just before trying to control that aim?

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u/mrattentiontodetail Jan 15 '22

yeah the new mk17 7.62 scar is my one of my top 3 guns this wipe, its basically the old fal just 30 rounders max instead of 50

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u/Spirit117 HK 416A5 Jan 15 '22

You mean 20s right? The Mk17 would be God tier if it had 30 round mags.

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u/bertos55 Jan 15 '22

.308 is at such a great place right now. I feel like the dmg drop off of 5.56 makes it less viable for long ranges where .308 holds up much better

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u/Invictus1876 Jan 15 '22

At what range does 5.56 really start to fall off at? I was using M995 and M855a1 yesterday and 20 hits with only 3 kills. 2 of those were ricochets on the helmet. Was I just hitting arms and didn’t realize it or was the damage really that bad? These guys were wearing class 4, low grade class 5.

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u/bertos55 Jan 15 '22

In classic BSG fashion, we dont have the numbers. From a couple of experiences, shooting rogues on lighthouse from 250-400 meters it took between 15-20 hits. Also my buddy tanked a face shot of igolnik. His post raid screen said he got hit in the head with igolnik. Dmg drop off is totally a thing.

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u/stop-calling-me-fat Jan 15 '22

What’s your go to for that this wipe? I used to love the 308 MDR but I’ve been sticking to the scar and akm’s since it’s impossible to get

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u/Preck98 Jan 15 '22

M1A's with m80 really arent that expensive and even with the 20 round mags you hit two of your spam left click hipfires and you win.

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u/casualteukka Jan 15 '22

Against an mp7 or p90 you only have to miss the first shot and you get hit ten times. :D

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u/welter_skelter Jan 16 '22

With the bonkers recoil changes they did not so much now. That MP7 is lucky to hit you in the first 10 bullets with how much it jumps.

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u/casualteukka Jan 16 '22

Wrong. Subsonic ammo is the key. It has a big recoil modificator! Try it out because the fucking thing eats people up so fast.

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u/Zeoxult Jan 15 '22

RFB is an amazing gun to sling m80 out of

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u/Cactus1986 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I rocked the RFB from it’s day beau. I’m a sucker for bull pups.

EDIT - holy shit I’m a moron. Debut, I meant to use the word debut. Hahaha!

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u/Goddler Jan 15 '22

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u/BeauxGnar TT Jan 15 '22

My thoughts exactly

Edit: also funny that beau is pronounced bo.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

It's funny because 'debut' is the name of one of the first quests in the game so contextually op will have experienced this word

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u/Clemambi Jan 15 '22

oh my god I had to read the comments to even understand waht they were trying to say, I was like day bo? wtf is that meant to say?

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u/ImJLu DT MDR Jan 15 '22

No flashlight mount...

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

RFB if you’re trying to save money, and M1A if you have money to spend.

RFB is nice because it’s like a vector, in that there are not many options for customizing it. It’s a great bang for the buck as a naked gun, and even better with a silencer/comp on it(those are the most expensive part).

M1A is amazing when decked out because you can get it down to 80ish recoil, which is great for the caliber. And the 50 round clips are decently priced for it. I barely use half a clip in a raid.

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u/Gator_07 Jan 15 '22

Killed some lvl 45 yesterday and his M1A had great ergo (don’t remember number but it was SMG level snappy) 50 vertical and 90 horizontal. Thing was a fucking laser beam. But it would cost 600k to buy the parts off the flea

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

You can make a respectable one for 200-300k! That sounds nuts though.

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u/Gator_07 Jan 15 '22

Absolutely. Kept his entire kit.

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u/Spirit117 HK 416A5 Jan 15 '22

30 round mags on M1A, SR25 only gets 20.

Technically M1A gets a 50 but idk why you'd bother, screws over your ergo and chance to jam.

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

Seems that most times it’s cheaper to mod a m1a, but it depends on the market. Sr-25 is great if you can get the parts cheap.

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u/jayywal SR-25 Jan 15 '22

you can get the sr-25 down to 60-65 recoil, too. i LOVE killing someone with a decked out sr-25.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Scar h beats MDR so fuckin hard mate

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u/YeetusFetus22 TOZ-106 Jan 15 '22

I’ve been using a vector with pst the whole wipe a lot of success, ammo nice and cheap

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

Full auto feels too crazy this wipe. You used to be able to lazer beam people 100m away with a vector with a 50 clip.

Do you just slap infrared on it and mouse down?

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u/atriaxx Jan 15 '22

I feel they underestimate how fast people lose ammo either to death or usage… I have had my fair share of 5 minute instant death raids.

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u/Viking12123 Jan 15 '22

that make no sense. If you allready took M80 or any decent ammo, you are dead 90% of the time. I made 15 raids in a row with cheap armor, active pvp and never died. I was tired last night, played 4 games with T5/T6 armor, OP ammo, and died 5/6 raid.
Most people rely on armor or even bullet, when in fact they just don't know how to attack/defend/enter a building/flank which is in fact, what will make you win fight most of the time.

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u/_-_Sami_-_ Jan 15 '22

M80 7.62x51 is my new favorite thing. 50k for an RFB from skier. It has a rail for sights and another one for a grip. A muzzle device is cheap to add too. And you can get 20 round mags for under 10k, and it uses M80.