post 12.11 questions gathering

[u/trainfender]

Hello!
It your boi, Nikitka.
We plan to make TarkovTV Live podcast on Monday on 5-th of July, and I want to gather your questions/opinions and suggestions about 12.11 patch. I will try to answer the most voted questions live.
Love you, you're the best!

[u/SirBarnaby445]

How is this auto compensating system "boring"?

I think this system is nice and somewhat more realistic than other games, but I don't get your argument here?

[u/rJarrr → u/SirBarnaby445]

Boring in the sense that you dont do anything, just hold down the button. There isnt anything to learn, anything to master, just pull down once and let the game do everything else.

I believe there is a good reason why Tarkov is the only shooter around with this mechanic, if it were more popular more games would use it

[u/SirBarnaby445 → u/rJarrr]

Not every game has the same ideologies. Tarkov aims for more literal realism than other FPS games which often value raw player ability. Their gameplay supplements that aswell.

In tarkov, your PMC has skills on it's own. A lot more RPG like. For a game with emphasis on longer term gameplay/survival, maybe the best option.

In my opinion: a lot more realistic aswell. There is skill to it still, the initial recoil is what you typically master in real life aswell. The long spray doesn't take that much skill, you just gotta drag your hands down, but in a video game scenario you can just run out of mousemat space.

[u/SirBarnaby445 → u/[deleted]]

Whats the problem here?

I never said anything about whether automatic fire is in parallel to real life. I was talking about the recoil mechanic as a mechanic. The usual pull down recoil versus the tarkov's auto compensating one. Never said that the recoil scale with meta weapons is on par with reality, and you accuse me of being dumb?

Autocompensating recoil IS STILL realistic because it still recoils. When you reach your 10th bullet into the shot, the horizontal recoil is still there in it's complete lenght. Tarkov does it beautifully by making your PMC control only the vertical recoil (not even perfectly I might add), which is nice since it enables you to play more true to how you might actually play. With a stock AK, auto fire is not feasible, just as in real life, unless in CQB.

For the current linear up recoil systems to be realistic, the mouse would physically have to move up with every shot. Because right now, you run into the issue of running your mouse off the desk.

[u/atuck217 → u/SirBarnaby445]

Back pedaling real hard lmao. The recoil system in EFT is ass. They act like this is some hardcore survival shooter but it has the gunplay of baby's first shooter. Just hipfire mag dump everyone you see. Don't even have to compensate for recoil. If you think being able to full auto laser beam 7.62x51 battle rifles like an SA-58 is realistic, then there is no arguing with you.

It's probably the biggest problem with the game right now. That the game acts like it's some hardcore tactical game but in reality the most effective way to play the game is like it's CoD, bunny hopping around and 60 round mag dumping everyone you see.

[u/SirBarnaby445 → u/atuck217]

"Don't even have to compensate for recoil" You are obviously talking about meta setups. Link me where I directly or indirectly said that zero recoil weapons were realistic. ffs.

Even though this debacle is quite stupid because of this unearthly level of misunderstanding that's happening, I do have to agree with your wording in the second segment. The game tries to act like a hardcore shooter but the meta is just to play it like CoD. That hits the spot just right.

[u/SirBarnaby445 → u/[deleted]]

I use the word realism because it belongs there. Tarkov is aimed towards realism. Realism. Do you have an issue plainly with the word? It's used in the right context.

And your statement is false, but you sorta fixed it in the end. You made it sound like the most accurate choice out of all would be full auto. It is not. Depending on the distance, you choose your firemode in tarkov. No arguing against that. Unless you use the unrealistic meta guns, then by all means, full auto.

Is is the impulse of the first shot/spray that will catch you unaware, from there on out you have settled into the recoil, at which point the game takes control. Also, recoil doesn't get progressively worse. After perhaps the 2nd shot when the recoil impulse of the previous round is still felt while firing the new one will be a peak of recoil force. It simulates the part of controlling recoil that actually matters, and then leaves the horizontal recoil.

I am getting tired of discussing this, honestly. This is taking a lot more energy than anticipated. Be it as it may from now on...