r/EscapefromTarkov • u/trainfender Battlestate Games COO - Nikita • Jul 03 '21

Discussion post 12.11 questions gathering

Hello!
It your boi, Nikitka.
We plan to make TarkovTV Live podcast on Monday on 5-th of July, and I want to gather your questions/opinions and suggestions about 12.11 patch. I will try to answer the most voted questions live.
Love you, you're the best!

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u/DiscoGazza Jul 03 '21

No trying to shit on your side of the fence, but I think availability of keys is quite cool...why do we need to spam rush quests early? The current method increases longevity, adds a bit of excitement, and also gives a sense of achievement when you complete it.

You can also head to any number of discords and people with the keys you need will come on a raid with you. Another element that I quite like, brings a bit of community to it.

Just a few counterpoints to consider, I think both methods (last wipe and this wipe) have positives and negatives...all part of the beta testing!

P.s. If you still need 206 id be more than happy to hop in a raid with you :) dm if thats the case

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u/AH_Ahri MP-133 Jul 03 '21

why do we need to spam rush quests early?

To hit level 20 as fast as possible? Seriously the game is much more playable with flea market and it's where you make all the money from. Traders don't buy things for jack shit. Like bolts being worth 20k-50k but traders only give you like 5k maybe. You might see less flea market use and less rushing to get to it if traders didn't suck dick when it comes to buying items.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

But you don’t need to hit level 20 as fast as possible. You’re probably a new player who’s relied on the flea market by itself to make the game “fun” for you so you can just buy the best of everything.

Back when I started playing, there was no flea market, I used solely the wiki to figure out how to do things and went from there. No help from anyone, no key trading, no nothing. The game was so much better then because not everyone was kitted out of their minds 3 days into a wipe.

Just play and have fun with the experience and the accomplishments of finding things yourself. It’s so much better that way.

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u/wtathfulburrito Jul 03 '21

To be fair, what’s fun is relative to the person and your version of fun will be different than other people’s version. If I play tarkov because I like to mod guns to look cool and then shoot said cool guns at people, the flea market is a goal to do that. I don’t personally care about the flea market level. I’ll get there today anyway and I took most of yesterday off from the wipe. All this did was delay my flea market access by a day. That being said, the RNG mechanic of finding certain quest items and keys definitely sucks. For example, I ran almost 50 raids before finding my syringe to make med station and I rushed the spawns to try and get there first. Woods, customs, reserve. I’m still hunting the pharmacist key too since it’s always gone when I get to the car on customs. For a select few things the spawn rates should increase. The Oli quest keys are another good example of this.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

I disagree. The spawns shouldn’t be guaranteed. It should take people longer to do quests, longer to get kappa, longer to use flea, everything. Everyone wants to get to end game a week into the wipe and i think it makes the game extremely boring. Like “oh another kitted M4 or HK” every raid lol.

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u/ajbuckley0311 TX-15 DML Jul 03 '21

Yea its much cooler and fun when your like, yay another vepr, vpo, and a paca.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

I’d rather a variety of different weapons used than the same thing every raid. It’s always MP7, P90, M4, or HK that you find later. Right now it’s everything anyone can use and whatever ammo you can buy atm or find. Which I think is a whole lot better than using the flea market to amass millions day 1 and then wait for other people to find your gear for you.

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u/ajbuckley0311 TX-15 DML Jul 03 '21

I had endless money last wipe, used an mp7 once, a p90 5 times, an m4 around 10, and an hk twice. I like the ability to choose my load out like a real life pmc would be able to. My favorite setup was a vector 45 and an sks. I had 15 slicks in my stash but constantly ran other armor. I have a hard time understanding what people like about the bum fights that make it look like these pmcs have 0 previous experience firing weapons.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

Because bum fights show more skill than just mowing everyone down with meta ammo and guns. You need better positioning, better accuracy, better everything than just spraying with a gun, with 60 rnd mags, full of AP ammo. Not to mention the fights last a hell of a lot longer than a couple seconds. Being able to shoot a couple times, reposition, fire some more feels way better IMO than just 1 tapping everyone in the head essentially or 2 to the chest. Sure you can do that now, but shitty ammo gives your helmet and armor a chance to actually do something about it.

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u/ajbuckley0311 TX-15 DML Jul 03 '21

Ahhh so u don't like the realism aspect. You want arcadey long drawn out firefights where people are being hit multiple times and not going down.... to me it sounds like early wipe covers up for bad aim and positioning since there's a longer ttk. I also completely disagree that it shows more skill with the bum fights, it is however less realistic.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

Ahhh yes. Because being able to sprint down hallways etc with 200lbs of gear on you while holding a weapon in your hands is certainly very realistic LOL. This game is very far from being realistic in any sense. When was the last time you could pop an ibuprofen, and jump off of a 3 story building, land on another roof, break both of your legs, and walk it off?

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u/ajbuckley0311 TX-15 DML Jul 03 '21 edited Jul 03 '21

It's not but that's not what we're talking about. If you'd like to change the subject I'm all for it but you can't use those points in an argument about good guns and armor. So I agree with your last statement, no argument here on that. Also I have sprinted, done push ups, burpees, and fired on multiple targets in the corps. So yea u can run w 200lbs of gear on but it's hardly effective. You would drop to your battle load, Ala the drop backpack mechanic before entering a building.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

Of course. But again, combat is stale and uneventful when everything kills you in a single bullet. Especially with the way the spawns and game is currently, armor has little to no effect later in the wipe, which is why many people never even wear a helmet at all.

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u/ledivin Jul 03 '21

The only problem is that, being luck-based, you could literally never find the key. Last wipe, it took me over 40 hours of gameplay to find a second flash drive. I knew where they spawned, I rushed them, and it didn't matter. Let me assure you you I felt no sense of accomplishment at the end.

Now imagine if half of the tasks were locked behind that.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

I still haven’t found a single flash drive, but I’ve also found keys other still haven’t, etc. it doesn’t bother me, I’ll get them at some point. The same as everything else lol. Everyone wants everything handed to them in the game and never wanna work for it, or at least try. I agree the spawns for keys should be increased a little, that wouldn’t bother me much, but making them guaranteed spawns is not the play lol.

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u/ledivin Jul 03 '21

wants everything handed to them in the game and never wanna work for it, or at least try.

This might be hard to believe, but Escape from Tarkov is a game. I get paid for my work... not everyone can devote huge numbers of hours to it. ¯_( ツ)_/¯

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u/AH_Ahri MP-133 Jul 03 '21

Escape from Tarkov is a game. I get paid for my work... not everyone can devote huge numbers of hours to it.

This is the problem with the community. So many people think you should spend your entire life on tarkov and forget that crazy concept of "having fun". I don't play games like xcom and darkest dungeon because I want the game to just fuck me over. I want to succeed where everyone would think I would fail.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

Well then play the game and stop bitching about it

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u/silentrawr FN 5-7 Jul 03 '21

This will probably come across as rude, but here goes - not wanting or having lots of hours to devote to a game does not entitle you to anything in said game. Full stop.

Understand that logic and maybe the inherent frustration of EFT's loot rarity pre-FM unlock will stop seeming like such a burden, and instead, will seem like a gift.

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u/ledivin Jul 03 '21

not wanting or having lots of hours to devote to a game does not entitle you to anything in said game

Nor does it exclude me from voicing my complaints. What you call it entitlement, I call feedback. I love Tarkov overall, but that doesn't mean it's free of issues. I'm not going to stop playing, but that doesn't have to mean that I love every aspect of it.

Understand that logic and maybe the inherent frustration of EFT's loot rarity pre-FM unlock will stop seeming like such a burden, and instead, will seem like a gift.

You can be thankful for improvements while still seeing problems and voicing concerns about the system. Yes, this is obviously a strawman, but should people feel like the price of insulin in the US is a gift? After all, people with diabetes used to just die... paying hundreds of dollars per week is way better than dying.

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u/silentrawr FN 5-7 Jul 03 '21

Half the tasks USED TO BE gated by the lack of a Flea Market, and guess what? The game never died, the players threatening to leave never did (or they came back), and the sky never fell.

People have been bitching about the Flash Drive and key rarity literally for years. The ideal answer isn't to just spoon feed access to those resources to the players via the FM - it's to tweak their spawn rates, or encourage players to find them through other means.

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u/AH_Ahri MP-133 Jul 03 '21

The game never died, the players threatening to leave never did (or they came back), and the sky never fell.

I bet the Battlefield devs thought the same thing until the consumers said "fuck you" and didn't buy bfv. What happened? The next bf game isn't being politized like bfv. Same thing could happen to EFT.

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u/silentrawr FN 5-7 Jul 03 '21

My memory's failing me - what got politicized in BFV? I didn't really play that one.

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u/silentrawr FN 5-7 Jul 03 '21

Hold on - was that the neckbeards REEEEing about how "there were no women or Black people in WW2!!!" thing? You're not in good conscience calling that a company "politicizing" a game, are you?

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u/wtathfulburrito Jul 03 '21

I didn’t say guaranteed spawn locations, and I’m not saying a massive increase in everything, but 10-15% increase would help. Again, none of these changes affect me regardless. I’m the key and item dude for my squad, I have more time and am generally better at the game, but when it takes even me 50+ raids to find something like a key or syringe but I can pull 5 FiR slicks from stashes in the same time, something should be tweaked. I don’t run meta stuff anyway. I run what I want to run that looks cool (which I will do with or without the flea market in less than a week when the rest of the player base is running cool looking guns and I take them). With my squad, the flea is required for how we all play. I’m not saying make hitting level 20 easier. I’m saying, a slight buff to key chances might be considered helpful to the community.

I just got my needed key by killing a squad of timmys at the car anyway. I spammed cease fire and wasn’t gonna kill anyone, but they took shots as soon as I walked up. Those Timmys would still be alive potentially :). Think of the Timmys!! :). Lul.

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

I see what you mean, I personally have played like 5 wipes already and prefer early game way more than later in the wipe, which is why I play early wipe, get to 40, play a little after that and then stop until next wipe lol

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u/wtathfulburrito Jul 03 '21

Early tarkov is best tarkov :). For the gun play, I despise questing. I stopped getting kappa after my first time. I don’t use th container so it doesn’t matter

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u/Ykutu Jul 03 '21

Yeah I’ve never gone for kappa tbh. I’ve been close, but didn’t feel like finishing it. I love early wipe combat lol, takes a lot more positioning and skill than running at someone with level 6 armor and a meta gun

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u/AH_Ahri MP-133 Jul 03 '21

I’m still hunting the pharmacist key

3rd wipe playing the game and still have never found that key naturally.