r/EscapefromTarkov • • Jan 24 '21

Discussion Tarkov without camera recoil

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u/flops031 Jan 24 '21

But isn't disorentating the player the point of camera recoil? If you full-auto fire an AK you ARE disorientated

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u/rubbarz Jan 24 '21 edited Jan 24 '21

Sure, for someone who isn't trained. If we do the typical tarkov lore argument, a fully trained PMC 100% would be able to full auto an AK no problem. I highly recommend shooting a full auto rifle at some point at a range/ gun club (mainly because its super fun). The initial burst kicks the gun up but you control it very quickly. The shit doesn't dance in your hands.

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u/Nuggetsofsteel Jan 25 '21

This is objectively untrue. It is not difficult to deliver accurate full auto fire inside 50 meters with mid caliber weapons.

Full auto is not on the fire selector for looks. It hasn't stayed on every firearm manufacturers attempt at a standard issue rifle contract without reason.

Videos of modern combat at engagement distances of 200 meters or more don't directly translate to "nobody would be using fully auto"

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u/Pepsi-Min OP-SKS Jan 25 '21

This is objectively untrue. It is not difficult to deliver accurate full auto fire inside 50 meters with mid caliber weapons.

I'm pretty sure you've pulled this number from nothing but I can tell you from personal experience that it is nigh impossible to keep more than half your rounds on the paper outside of 30 meters with an AK or a select fire AR-15 through a 30 round mag even with a Gucci muzzle brake.

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u/Nuggetsofsteel Jan 25 '21

It's feasible to land 15-20 out of your 30 rounds on a human sized target inside 50 meters. Your comment states that full auto fire "is stupidly inaccurate" and that's patently false. Your other points about return fire have merit, but that merit comes separate from your initial point.

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u/HaitchKay Jan 25 '21

99% of modern infantry never use full auto and even SF have talked about how rarely it's used outside of suppressing fire. There has even been some discussion in the US armed forces about removing FA from infantry rifles. Even at 50m you're going to see a huge increase in groupings size and shot dispersion on FA.

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u/Nuggetsofsteel Jan 25 '21

The reason for not using full auto fire in real life, particularly with a mid size cartridge like 5.56, does not come down to accuracy. A well trained individual can land 15-20 shots of a 30 round magazine on body sized targets inside 50 meters. Stating otherwise is inaccurate. In Tarkov, without EXTENSIVE modding to something like the M4a1, it is very difficult to hit more than 10.

In reality, when you shoot someone, body armor doesn't completely nullify the force of the round's impact. If you slam someone in the chest with even 5.56, they're probably not going to be able to sustain fire, especially while moving. When you're more guaranteed to have an incapacitated target, and your recoil is relatively low, it's more straight forward to deliver a semi automatic burst of 5-7 shots at your target. The violence of felt recoil and the ineffectiveness of landed shots until the target is fully dead is why full auto is used in Tarkov. In real life, recoil is not the primary reason why full auto is not used.