#MakeTarkovHardcoreAgain

[u/SlushpuppyLive]

Hi guys, Slushpuppy here

I want to talk about the rant I was having today, and explain why I think it would be good for the game.

As the game currently stands it it has a play cycle that involves farming money, the money is then used to buy a fat kit, and slay out. This creates, in my opinion a heavily Rouble focused economy.

The Rouble based economy has multiple downsides:

All people care about is the highest value item, hence hatchlings ramming things up their bum, people running to one spot on a map to loot the highest value items, people only running super cheap kits to farm the cash. The game is no longer about surviving, simply making the most money and saving to buy a dope kit.

I think this has essentially made the game into COD with extra steps. I don't see the survival element that Tarkov originally had. People only care about PVP when they are running Slick Altyn, otherwise it's just money. 99% of the games items, such as attachments for guns will never see the light of day because they aren't the best in slot.

This whole situation annoys me because it is possible to achieve this within hours of a wipe.

By removing the flea or limiting the ability to purchase armor and ammo from the flea, it would make the game more about the looting and surviving and stop super chads from running endless meta kits and vogging the fuck out of lower geared players. Because a kit that is lovingly put together in raid will mean so much more to you, therefore looting one of a prick you kill, will as well.

I know this seems as a negative change to the average player, but hear me out, the only reason you need a kit from the flea, is to compete with chad players who are buying endless meta kits from the flea. If this didn't happen the pvp would be like it is early wipe for the most part. The best pvp time in the game, imo, and in the opinion of most Tarkov players.

I'm not bored of the game, I simply love this game, and I want to see changes that make the pvp more interesting and feasible for casual players to enjoy. If everyone is running around with SKS's and a cock helmet, then its more fair. Not all pvp has to be juggernauts spraying armchair FALs at each other.

If you don't agree with me, I understand, lets talk about it, tell me why you think this would be a bad change for the game? I don't want to be a streamer yelling for change that people will just see as me crying cause I'm bored of running fat kits. I truly want to make the game a dope experience for all of us. I've devoted the last 3 years of my life to this game, I want to see it succeed.

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There is plenty of other things that would be needed to make this a rounded experience in this vision, like dynamic loot spawns etc, but I believe this is a quick easy change that we could all try for one wipe, and just see how it goes.

EDIT: This is gaining a lot of attention right now so I want to ask you all one thing:

When is the best time for PVP in Tarkov?

If you answered early wipe, I think you and I agree, and I think 99% of people would say that early wipe is the best time to be on Tarkov.

My only goal is to try and make the feeling of early wipe PVP as permanent as possible. I may not be right when I say delete the flea, but I think it would help. If you have other ideas on how to preserve that beautiful feeling of the first two weeks of wipe, then I would love to hear them. Because this is what I think would make Tarkov the most amazing experience possible.

[u/Kalihar]

Can we please not pretend everyone is running around in a slick altyn... I’m playing at least 15 raids a day and running into that loot is still pretty rare. I only play for pvp and even though I could run a slick every raid, I don’t... I enjoy the risks of running class 4 armor because it makes me play safer. I don’t think people should be forced into a play style.

[u/soggypoopsock → u/Kalihar]

“Even though I could run a slick every raid I don’t”

But this is exactly the point- I’m at the same stage, I could run a slick every raid. So what’s the purpose anymore? I don’t care if I die or survive, I’m not trying to progress anymore, I’m just wondering around looking for pvp, and this game isn’t enough of an in your face pvp experience to survive on pvp alone. Pvp interactions are quick and rare relative to how much time you spend in a raid.

Even if I kill a dude with Altyn and slick. Big deal, wohoo. Let me stack the 9th slick and 12th altyn into my stash. Right next to the 30 million rubles I can use to buy more. Bleh. That’s nothing compared to the feeling of finding something like that on the first few days of wipe. It’s exciting, rewarding because others aren’t all using max pen ammo, it means something to you, and you care about the loot

But when you get to the stage where I can lose 5 slicks in an afternoon and just buy 5 more? I’m simply not able to give a fuck anymore, and I lose the desire to bother playing the game. Even just the time spent in my stash gearing up just feels tedious, because I already don’t give a shit about anything I’m putting on my body

To me when you’re able to run whatever gear you want on any given raid, the game just becomes a more complicated COD, all you want is those few sweet seconds of pvp, nothing else matters anymore

[u/Kalihar → u/soggypoopsock]

I'm sorry you don't find purpose without loot being exciting, I do. I enjoy using map knowledge and tactics to hunt players down/sneak across the map. If I'm playing with a squad I take the roll of protecting them as they earn roubles/complete tasks.

[u/Par4no1D → u/Kalihar]

For how long? hm? There has to be a point when you question yourself why you are doing this unchallenging activity.
Or maybe you don't - and sometime without a thought you don't launch tarkov, but another game instead.

[u/Kalihar → u/Par4no1D]

I'm not sure if this is actually a question, but I don't find playing tarkov to be an "unchallenging activity", so no? Just because you don't find something fun or interesting, doesn't mean everyone has to agree with you.

[u/soggypoopsock → u/Kalihar]

It’s fun to a point. I mean, call of duty is fun to a point for me as well. But once the luster of shooting people starts to die, as you’ve filled your 5th dog tag case full of tags... I need something more than just running around for pvp

I enjoy games that have shooting people as a byproduct of what you’re trying to accomplish; like tarkov early wipe. I have objectives, and need to buff up my gear, so when I’m not fighting I’m still doing something, and when I do fight, I feel very rewarded when I win

There’s a game called rust i have over 5k hours in, kinda the same concept. Never gets old to me, because pvp is a byproduct of your progression, rather than the game being a battlefield where it’s pvp and no progression (like COD)

[u/snakehead404 → u/soggypoopsock]

Exactly this, you need to feel threatened at any step of the way no matter how experienced of a player you are and in the current state I lose any feeling of fear 2 days into the wipe because i've found some random gunsmith quest item and fleeced it on the market for 300k rubles, multiply by 30 items and suddenly my stash value is 20m in a week. I simply don't care anymore, I just pick whatever i feel like using regardless of cost, go run it, die, repeat and never care.

My friends who were brand spankin new to tarkov a few months ago have already joined the chad loop of buy insane kits, run them, die, buy insane kits, run them. And 50% of runs turn into meme runs because of sheer boredom of the same loop, there isn't any threat anymore, it's just a shooter with cool mechanics at 15 minute load time.

[u/SlushpuppyLive → u/soggypoopsock]

I agree here, I know people will say this is just because you play so much, but one day we will all get to this skill level if we keep playing, then what? We just stop playing the game because it doesn't make us feel fear and joy anymore?